Helicopter gameplay is near damn impossible
Hi. It's really getting out of hand. It's too spammy. Best i've had 4 TV dodge at once but eventually i loose to them cause i has nowhere to go, i can't counter cause person(s) that use, is hidden. ...
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OK, I put together a couple of clips I took today. Here's the breakdown:
AA Runs
1. Shot one - shooting at a Stealth, he flares, then flips into stealth mode, drops bombs and hauls it out to safety.
2. Shot two - same stealth on his way back from regenning flares. He flares this shot.
3. Shot three - same stealth after he flared. I'm surprised I got this shot in as he was trying to hide in the rocks but wasn't low enough AND he was far away. (this just proves the buff to AA wasn't good enough. I do get a hit, but not a kill as no one else was shooting at him. Watch after the hit and you'll see him skulking around in the OOB regenning.
4. Shot four - Two things here. Number one, I was able to lock on through the tree which is surprising. Maybe that got fixed?? But after the shot, notice the stealth just slips into stealth and runs and I never get a hit.
5. The last sequence is the Stealth finally getting tired of me making him run. I thought he was going to come out of stealth because he didn't have a gunner, but turns out he did. You can see at the end, he drops bombs and then comes out of stealth as his gunner gets me.
CONCLUSION: A single person can barely get a hit on a Stealth with an AA. Even if two or even three of us were shooting at him, he probably would have survived. I think the one sequence where I actually get a hit, we could have gotten him ONLY if we all could have locked on and fired.
Lis TV Missile Runs
1. Shot one - Stealth just flat outruns the missile. Who said they couldn't outrun the thing???
2. Shot two - Originally I fired at the Hind, but the Stealth was closer. He easily jinks the missile. Believe me I was yanking and banking the mouse. I have a 16" up/down and 24" side to side mousepad. I was using ALL of it...How maneuverable is that thing again?
3. Shot three - I almost fired at the Stealth but it was going over the mountain. Notice the Hind when I fire IMMEDIATELY changes direction and starts jinking. He damn near outruns the missile flat out but finally just out jinks how quickly I can move. Again, I'm yanking and banking with 2 FEET of mousepad here...
4. Shot four - Fire at the Hind again and he just simply jinks at the last second. I can't turn around quick enough.
CONCLUSION: I'm not sure who thinks this missile is maneuvering like a stealth or little bird, but I'd like to see another video where it's doing it. And a chopper can most certainly outrun the thing. I wouldn't even bother firing it at a jet. You'd be hard pressed to get a consistent solid hit on a chopper with Lis.
Granted these pilots were pretty good, but that's the point...you AREN'T supposed to just sit still and farm away at the infantry. If you do that, yeah you'll get pummeled by both AA and TV missiles. But any amount of competency will overwhealm two or even three players shooting at you and that's bordering on OP. Not quite, but bordering. A really good pilot is going to run circles around these. ONLY if the other team has three or four good players who know how to box in, can the thing be taken down easily.
So where are the videos showing how EASY it is to hit with a Lis Missile?
@Echo6Echo wrote:OK, I put together a couple of clips I took today. Here's the breakdown:
AA Runs
1. Shot one - shooting at a Stealth, he flares, then flips into stealth mode, drops bombs and hauls it out to safety.
2. Shot two - same stealth on his way back from regenning flares. He flares this shot.
3. Shot three - same stealth after he flared. I'm surprised I got this shot in as he was trying to hide in the rocks but wasn't low enough AND he was far away. (this just proves the buff to AA wasn't good enough. I do get a hit, but not a kill as no one else was shooting at him. Watch after the hit and you'll see him skulking around in the OOB regenning.
4. Shot four - Two things here. Number one, I was able to lock on through the tree which is surprising. Maybe that got fixed?? But after the shot, notice the stealth just slips into stealth and runs and I never get a hit.
5. The last sequence is the Stealth finally getting tired of me making him run. I thought he was going to come out of stealth because he didn't have a gunner, but turns out he did. You can see at the end, he drops bombs and then comes out of stealth as his gunner gets me.
CONCLUSION: A single person can barely get a hit on a Stealth with an AA. Even if two or even three of us were shooting at him, he probably would have survived. I think the one sequence where I actually get a hit, we could have gotten him ONLY if we all could have locked on and fired.
Lis TV Missile Runs
1. Shot one - Stealth just flat outruns the missile. Who said they couldn't outrun the thing???
2. Shot two - Originally I fired at the Hind, but the Stealth was closer. He easily jinks the missile. Believe me I was yanking and banking the mouse. I have a 16" up/down and 24" side to side mousepad. I was using ALL of it...How maneuverable is that thing again?
3. Shot three - I almost fired at the Stealth but it was going over the mountain. Notice the Hind when I fire IMMEDIATELY changes direction and starts jinking. He damn near outruns the missile flat out but finally just out jinks how quickly I can move. Again, I'm yanking and banking with 2 FEET of mousepad here...
4. Shot four - Fire at the Hind again and he just simply jinks at the last second. I can't turn around quick enough.
CONCLUSION: I'm not sure who thinks this missile is maneuvering like a stealth or little bird, but I'd like to see another video where it's doing it. And a chopper can most certainly outrun the thing. I wouldn't even bother firing it at a jet. You'd be hard pressed to get a consistent solid hit on a chopper with Lis.
Granted these pilots were pretty good, but that's the point...you AREN'T supposed to just sit still and farm away at the infantry. If you do that, yeah you'll get pummeled by both AA and TV missiles. But any amount of competency will overwhealm two or even three players shooting at you and that's bordering on OP. Not quite, but bordering. A really good pilot is going to run circles around these. ONLY if the other team has three or four good players who know how to box in, can the thing be taken down easily.
So where are the videos showing how EASY it is to hit with a Lis Missile?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjCB0IcRc6U
You can't camp on a hill stinger or guided rocket with unlimited ammo and clear the air? Actually you did do that because the helicopter ran away. What exactly are you trying to say? It's not fair that I didn't get an easy lock-on kill? That it's too hard for an infantry player with a guided rocket unlimited ammo to solo kill an helicopter? What a joke.
@CPT_GASLIGHT wrote:
You can't camp on a hill stinger or guided rocket with unlimited ammo and clear the air? Actually you did do that because the helicopter ran away. What exactly are you trying to say? It's not fair that I didn't get an easy lock-on kill? That it's too hard for an infantry player with a guided rocket unlimited ammo to solo kill an helicopter? What a joke.
Did you even read my write up? Where did I say I was mad about anything especially not being able to one shot a helo? And I didn't "run him away" he came back and killed me. Trust me he was doing just fine on the scoreboard, which I didn't show. At NO point did I say I was upset about not getting a kill. Again, did you read my write up? What I said was that one person "could barely get a hit on a Stealth". I was refuting those who said that AA and Lis have "easy mode" against choppers. I actually mention that it would take 3 or 4 coordinated players to take one out. How about actually reading what someone writes and thinking about it before trying to lambast them.I'm also seeing people complain that the Wildcat's are weak against the heli lmao. Guns with longest range of anything in the game and can zone off half the map. If you let the helicopter get close, you deserve to die in it.
@Echo6Echo wrote:
@CPT_GASLIGHT wrote:
You can't camp on a hill stinger or guided rocket with unlimited ammo and clear the air? Actually you did do that because the helicopter ran away. What exactly are you trying to say? It's not fair that I didn't get an easy lock-on kill? That it's too hard for an infantry player with a guided rocket unlimited ammo to solo kill an helicopter? What a joke.
Did you even read my write up? Where did I say I was mad about anything especially not being able to one shot a helo? And I didn't "run him away" he came back and killed me. Trust me he was doing just fine on the scoreboard, which I didn't show. At NO point did I say I was upset about not getting a kill. Again, did you read my write up? What I said was that one person "could barely get a hit on a Stealth". I was refuting those who said that AA and Lis have "easy mode" against choppers. I actually mention that it would take 3 or 4 coordinated players to take one out. How about actually reading what someone writes and thinking about it before trying to lambast them.He did go hide? What did you expect? For him to stay there the rest of the game because he's scared of you?
@CPT_GASLIGHT wrote:
@Echo6Echo wrote:
@CPT_GASLIGHT wrote:
You can't camp on a hill stinger or guided rocket with unlimited ammo and clear the air? Actually you did do that because the helicopter ran away. What exactly are you trying to say? It's not fair that I didn't get an easy lock-on kill? That it's too hard for an infantry player with a guided rocket unlimited ammo to solo kill an helicopter? What a joke.
Did you even read my write up? Where did I say I was mad about anything especially not being able to one shot a helo? And I didn't "run him away" he came back and killed me. Trust me he was doing just fine on the scoreboard, which I didn't show. At NO point did I say I was upset about not getting a kill. Again, did you read my write up? What I said was that one person "could barely get a hit on a Stealth". I was refuting those who said that AA and Lis have "easy mode" against choppers. I actually mention that it would take 3 or 4 coordinated players to take one out. How about actually reading what someone writes and thinking about it before trying to lambast them.He did go hide? What did you expect? For him to stay there the rest of the game because he's scared of you?
Alright...start reading what I write if you're going to respond to me please. You're just being argumentative. Again, in neither post did I mention he should be scared or run from one person with a stinger. I was showing in context that you can't one shot or even consistently get a hit on a stealth with a stinger and that Lis missiles are NOT as deadly as everyone is saying. The whole discussion in this thread is about helos standing NO chance against a Lis rocket. Someone even said it was one shotting them and they couldn't get away from them. I challenged them to show us a video of how OP a Lis missile is. Me being me, I did it too, I just added some AA in... I don't want to discuss this with you if you can't read my posts and respond in kind to what I'm saying without all the argumentative garbage...
- @CPT_GASLIGHT Until the wildcat gets an emp shot which generates enough time to get close and really personal to the wildcat
@Bolvard wrote:
@CPT_GASLIGHTUntil the wildcat gets an emp shot which generates enough time to get close and really personal to the wildcatIf have half the map to work with and you still mess it up, you're hopeless.
- @Echo6Echo
I have 1 shot the TBird and Stealth with Lis. You have to hit them head on. Not easy to do. - @CPT_GASLIGHT Tell that to the few world best tank drivers who remain in this game becouse MANY left.
- @Echo6Echo Dude man, you’ve gotta stop feeding the trolls. We know that disagreements on the interwebs always result in the other person changing their opinions, in this case though I think you’re wasting your time. If having an opinion worth listening to requires a high KD then you have to realize their is zero point in the discussion or this thread in general. I’m amazed the thread hasn’t been locked yet lol. Save yourself Echo!
@ATFGunrYou don't need to trash topic with that talk. You are pretty high ranked in forum, you should know.
There's nothing troll in my responds.
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