Helicopter vs. Infantry or Light Armored Vehicle

I am convinced by this topic that "there is a lack of anti-aircraft guns in this game." You seem to be arguing whether NBs are OP or not, but I think the lack of sufficient countermeasures makes them more of a threat. A light helicopter like that should be able to be shot down with weapons mounted on a light armored vehicle.

thats not true, skill is needed to use the AA options properly

its the same like infantry vs. infantry. no more countermeasures needed vs nightbird. rather learning how to use the ones available, or in general learn how to counter helos from the ground. its pretty easy actually.

when theres a good pilot on the enemy team, take aircraft, learn aircraft. even if the enemy pilot is better. he can be annoyed and prevented from his devastating effect on the game

@Gurz1019_MPYeah, cause as a medic, i can't really kill tank either. But i can kill nightbird.

 @Gurz1019_MP well thats also not true. aircraft can be shot down or damaged badly by TGM from Lis, as you mentioned it can be stingered by all engineers except lis, it can be hacked by rao, which disables it and makes it hard to maneuver, the rao hack also provides a fast lock on for every rocket launcher and the stinger. aircraft can be shot down with the sraw from engineers. finally it can be shot down by a single rocket from infantry rocket launchers namely m5 and rpg, which isnt that hard if the aircraft is close to you, especially when its unaware of your position. though uncommon and difficult but perfectly possible is also mining or c5ing aircraft when parachuting.

lises tgm proves here to be the most accurate and successful option

as well as the rao hack is pretty useful

the combined infantry AA options + the AA capabilities from ground vehicles and finally enemy aircraft provide enough counter options

the measures will be only effective if played well

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@Gurz1019_MP wrote:
@Man_iLoveFishing Of course it is not possible to destroy a tank. It is the job of the engineers to fight the vehicle. If the medic can fight the vehicle effectively and not by accident, that would be unbalanced. Can a single medic shoot down a nightbird?　Please tell us how to do that.

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Hmm...I'm by no means certain, but I think an underbarrel launcher might be able to destroy one (if a medic has one equipped and the NB is close enough). 

@Gurz1019_MPwhat I mean with played well is for example u wait until the enemy helo is hovering, especially when its fighting another helo, the helos have to be pretty much still in order to fight each other and they will fight each other to prevent dying. thats when to shoot the lis tgm at it. ur mate in the helo will be thankful

@Gurz1019_MPits common to get shot down by m5 and rpg in a helo, sometimes the helo gets shot down five times per game by m5s and rpgs

@Gurz1019_MPthese AA guns or how u call them, would not make much of a difference because pilots will adapt to it. after some adaption time, its gonna be almost the same or even the same

@Gurz1019_MPlight vehicle shooting at attack helo is like saying. "hello kill me, Im only a few rockets for ur attack helo". wouldnt change much

I think the problem is that the 20mmFlak equipped on light vehicles is too useless. I think we should make the burst burst not at a fixed distance, but when the warhead detects the vehicle, and extend the range to the flight altitude limit of the helicopter. That way anyone can easily aim at the helicopter. It will not have much firepower at long range because the bullet speed is not that fast. Try not to burst against infantry, and try not to exert more firepower than necessary.

"If a machine gun mounted on a light vehicle of that kind could do effective damage to a helicopter, I think everyone would be actively shooting at helicopters."
LMGs/HMGs' role should be to fight infantry, not aircrafts. Tanks should be countered by aircrafts. To fight air, there's other guns, pods and vehicles, like the flak pod or the dedicated flak gun. If a ground vehicle is to decently fight air, it should get a special gun for that job, not have every ground vehicle gunner be able to competently deal with any air threat.

The core issue is that infantry should be able to decently fight aircrafts themselves, and easily overwhelm and kill them if there's enough engineers, as is the case with ground vehicles. For air, this can't happen consistently and the only decent options have both a high skill floor (this is a casual game) and are heavily luck based (I sure hope my lizzle/dumbfire launcher/... doesn't dust!!!). Flak jeeps were a bandaid fix to the nightbird being too fast for people to lock on to with stingers. They should not be a thing.

The infantry situation can be helped with a buff to the NTW-50 to deal actually usable damage against the 3 non-transport helicopters and jets (or something else in that vein), and letting engineers use an HP-only version of it as a gadget, or fixed by adding a lower damage passive radar launcher (can use a portal launcher, just give it passive radar mechanics) and spending the time to balance things with its existence, decently reducing flare duration, doing some other flare tweaks like returning to the old cooldown time, and emphasizing the FXM's midranged-ness, like e.g. making it lock on a bit slower. But that kind of changes are probably too experimental and would require... A CTE.