Long time Engi player and I’m usually one of the only guys that goes AA an entire match playing 2042. Infantry in 2042 exist as fodder for vehicles. Every single Conquest match has too many mobile Death Stars farming infantry the entire match. Fight, scrap and use every single ounce of gaming experience to take down a single airframe only to have two more takeits place. In previous BF games many maps would only have 2 or 3 TOTAL heavy land or ground vehicles tops. In 2042 is max number of vehicles every match with ZERO forethought put into how vehicles effect the infantry game depending on the terrain of each map. The 2042 team has even managed to somehow bring this poison to Classic BF maps by adding 2 Hind and 2 Condor for 2042 Conquest gamemodes on these very small maps. Maps way too small for so many vehicles. The lack of forethought put into these design decisions is worrisome. These mind boggling design decisions are being made by developers that obviously don’t play much as infantry in their own game. I challenge the Devs to spend a weekend playing as infantry only and see first hand how they’ll get farmed by Hinds and Condors even if they dedicate every minute of game play to anti aircraft builds.

First off, I have over 200 hours in 2042, I have over 1500 hours collectively across all Battlefields. I consider myself a decent pilot, not a pro but skilled enough to know when something is broken or unbalanced and the Hind/Condors are definitely unbalanced.It's quite evident that there's vehicle weapon disparities, such as between the 50mm cannon that can be equipped on the Light Recon Vehicle and the very same 50mm cannon that can be equipped on the Hind/Condor. Immediately you will notice the 50mm cannon on the Light Recon Vehicle reloads far slower, has a far smaller ammo count and deals less damage overall and rewards only precise and direct hits. Now, contrast this to the 50mm cannon on the Hind/Condor, this cannon reloads way to fast, it has enough ammo to fight continuously without needing downtime to replenish ammo and deals significant amounts of damage to all types of targets and has a large amount of splash damage. The effective range of the 50mm cannon is also way too good, the thing shoots lasers across the map with almost no drop off.The miniguns are simply like little Anti-Air/Anti-Infantry Cannons. They perform way too well in all given scenarios, they have the range of Anti-Air vehicles and the spread of a Sniper rifle. This is abhorrent to the very idea of a transport vehicle, no weapon on a transport vehicle should be so good that it can outclass entire groups of targets. Take the MAV for instance, it has many different weapon choices that all excel at very specific target types, with the main weapon being a balanced all rounder.The Tanky HP of the Hind/Condor combined with the firepower I've detailed makes it the King of the skies, unrivalled by other air vehicles even if they're skilled or not, the OP Miniguns and 50mm Cannons outclass the other vehicle types. The Hind also has a noticeable advantage over the Condor when it comes to verticality so the Hind for the most part, rules the skies.You can't have both, Air Dominance and Tanky Support coming out of one vehicle. You need to pick, is the Hind/Condor going to be a Tanky Support, used to transport infantry with low firepower, or is the Hind/Condor going to be an Attack Vehicle with lower HP. Because right now, it's both an attack vehicle and a transport vehicle and that's a massive problem.A simple solution would be to do the following:Increase Minigun spread.Increase Minigun overheat speed by at least a 1/3.Halve Minigun range.Replace the 50mm Cannon with the 50mm Cannon that's found on the Light Recon Vehicle, and then further increase the firing delay.Halve the Hind/Condor 50mm Cannon range or significantly increase drop off distance. As it stand now, you can't have both the tanky nature and powerhouse that is these flying snipers. Please DICE/EA make the appropriate nerfs that this transport vehicle needs to actually be a transport vehicle and not both an attack vehicle and a transport vehicle. You don't see MAVs going up against tanks and winning outright so why is this happening with the Hind/Condor and Jets?Something is absolutely broken and anyone who says it's not must substantiate why the Recon Vehicle has such a weak 50mm Cannon in comparison.

@Straatford87can we just get rid of it? 2 gunners should be enough to protect transport + more space to use it as transport + less motivation to sit forever inside the transport and deny someone else spawning point.P.S. please look also into season badge not counting progress.

@AdamonicIt’s the whole “if you wanted to sabotage your own game, what would you do” thing where DICE seems to go out of their way to do the worst thing imaginable.In all seriousness it’s obvious these mind boggling decisions are being made by individuals that don’t actually play Battlefield 2042. This is where a community manager should be giving Devs weekly update on the most pressing issues players are experiencing as well as what players want to see.Seeing ZERO communication or interaction from anyone at DIcE in these forums, I have little hope.

@Straatford87 wrote:Hey folks, I can confirm that we're looking into balance tuning for the MV38-Condor's 50mm Cannon Pod. We'll give more details in upcoming Update Notes.There's no need for balance just remove it, the 50mm cannon has no place on the Condor or the Super Hind. Easy fix is to replace it with another minigun pod. since they are transport vehicles. If this change is implemented I wont even be mad about the godly armor they have. 3 minigunners should be enough to cover the solders. And why it takes so long for this to be "balanced", do you guys even play on the live servers to see the impact of these mini deathstars? Srsly it's been 8 months+.

@SPARTAN_SAV10R wrote:Please DO NOT nerf the Condor or Hind's 50 MM cannon. I usually am running with a well communicating heli squad and when we work together we still have to deal with Soflams, AA, Rao Hacks and TV missiles, not to mention any AA vehicle or other aircraft in the sky. We only do well when we're all communicating with each other using teamwork. Rando's who come in to Fly or Gun make it rough experience in the heli - When a lone infantry user comes to take us out they'll have a tough time. But if a squad comes together to focus fire then they can easily take us out. The squad effort required to succeed in the equals the squad effort to take us out.....please don't nerf, it's already balanced!"Rando's who come in to Fly or Gun make it rough experience in the heli - When a lone infantry user comes to take us out they'll have a tough time. But if a squad comes together to focus fire then they can easily take us out. "God forbid people use the TRANSPORT HELICOPTER to spawn while you're busy using it like a flying tankI won't say more because I'll end up getting banned, people like you make my blood boil

Hind and Condor dominate every game mode.

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LlamaWithKatana
4 years ago
@SPARTAN_SAV10R awww, you can't go 120-0 in a flying fortress? It is easy even with the randoms. 1 not brain dead pilot and 1 gunner sho has at least one arm with 3 fingers can dominate the game. I know because we did. It was way too easy.
I agree tho that 50mm (see, I didn't screw up this time!) shouldn't be balanced. It should be deleted from transport. From all transport.
Psubond
4 years ago
@LlamaWithKatana wrote:
@SPARTAN_SAV10Rawww, you can't go 120-0 in a flying fortress? It is easy even with the randoms. 1 not brain dead pilot and 1 gunner sho has at least one arm with 3 fingers can dominate the game. I know because we did. It was way too easy.
I agree tho that 50mm (see, I didn't screw up this time!) shouldn't be balanced. It should be deleted from transport. From all transport.
sorry i had to, it was the first thing that came to mind 🙂
as for anyone arguing to keep the 50mm and saying it's balanced, they aren't having an honest argument. vehicles in the game either need to be a glass cannon (powerful offense but little defense) or a tank (not a real tank, i mean high defense low offense). a transport should be the latter
LlamaWithKatana
4 years ago
@Psubond no offence taken XD

Transport IMO never ment to be killing machine in the first place.
Also it is not a thing that DICE took away heli tokens. They separated heli tokens from transport tokens. Before most would pick little bird or apache over hind and condor. Now when those are free to take and not occupied by LB pilots it become more clear how broken the transport is.
Ironhead841
Hero
4 years ago
@Psubond @LlamaWithKatana
LOL guys thanks for those posts a little bit of levity around here is highly appreciated from time to time 👍
Zhukov211
4 years ago
The game is bleeding players since the “newness” of season 2 is wearing off. A lot of casuals are sick and tired of being farmed by Hind and Condor.

Your “live service” is woefully inadequate. A live service includes WEEKLY patches and weekly game updates.
Disable the 50mm, 40mm and 30mm from all “transports” the same way you disabled Dozer’s shield at launch. That includes removing these guns from the LATV Recon and the Hovercraft. Slap mini guns on all and be done with it. These are TRANSPORTS. Not gun ships. Not heavy attack platforms.

Take a page from BF4, BFV and BF1 where “transports” are actual transports and not mobile infantry farming machines. E.g. motorcycles, quad runners, jeeps with light weaponry, rubber inflatable boats and jet skis. Increase the numbers of quad runners significantly until new transports are implemented.

If you’re going to talk the talk, it’s time to
walk the walk and start delivering timely fixes. The Hind and Condor are a no brainer. Yet we are still being farmed by these horribly OP platforms weeks into the new meta.
Zhukov211
4 years ago
@SleepyWeasel68

The IGLA from BF4 comes to mind as the correct answer to the Huron and Hannibal. When the Huron and Hannibal were introduced, the IGLA should have been implemented at the same time.

IGLA is the perfect answer to Stealth helis. No lock on time, works vs stealth, longer range than the Stinger, but you have to hold the crosshairs on target until impact.

A 2042 DICE developer that played any amount of time as a BF4 Engi should know this.
Also where are our AA mines? SRAW? Javelin? SLAM mines? RPG? Claymores?
CPT_GASLIGHT
4 years ago
Okay so I actually spent some time in the gunner seat in the transports. I think the biggest issues with the 50 mm are the fire rate and reload speed which are both way too quick. I don’t think the damage is actually that ridiculous against infantry, but the fire rate needs to be reduced as well as the reload speed. The mini guns also need a range reduction and spread increase but the biggest problem with the transports are their massive health pool and maneuverability. The hind needs to be clunkier and the condor should not be able to turn as tight as it can when in jet mode.
JarskyPlays
4 years ago
@borroma31 come on mate, you barely have over 200 kills between both transport helis. Stop talking like you're #1 pilot here. You're a bolte main, probably sad your lock on missile to insta kill every air vehicle in the sky got nerf'd.

Players are relentless right now with Rao + lock on's. If you arent getting hacked, then you're being as ineffective as your stats show and probably sitting at the top of the skybox acting as a beacon.
ReinAtreides_SG
4 years ago
@Zhukov211 You are totally right. In breakthough, If my team gets dominated by two helis and im just getting destroyed trying to kill those and no one or not enough people are helping out, i just LEAVE the game.

Not to mention people are getting tired of getting sniped while looking in the sky to shoot these helis and not getting a lock on either they are too far or the flares are on.
SCUBASTEVE120
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Ironhead841 Ya lol if it just had a .50 Cal (like tank secondary Gunner) it wouldn't be so bad. 50mm is way to op. It's like an Ac130

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