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The general idea of reorganizing and evolving the class system I'm on board with. The Specialists are unnecessary, cringe candy that break immersion and faction identity. Faction identity and specifics are a core part of Battlefield. As is the player feeling like they are just another grunt.
Why not have a better class system, with personal avatars and grounded skins?
There is at least millions of players still playing about 3 days a week for few hours as most peoples do .. the numbers are pretty clear there is still millions total players playing .. Concurent numbers on steam are still good and are stable enough across 24 hours ..
Most player play from 1 to 3 hours sessions and about 3 days out of a 7day week .. So Steamcharts is concurents players wich mean players connected at the exact same time ..
When a game is released all the time zones play at the same time even if its 5am 1 pm etc.. for them so the " concurents players " of a launch game isnt revelant When the game is no longer totally new numbers plummet easily by 75 to 95 % from the launch concurents ... New World amazon MMO had a launch of nearly a million player concurents then is sitting about 60k its still pretty good destiny 2 had millions + players on PC individual active players and was then sitting about 60k to 100k And destiny is a grind intensive game wich draw lots of players to connect more often to do daily etc.. even if they play for few minutes
New world still have millions of active players , Battlefield 2042 still have over 500k to 800k individuals players still playing on steam .. So when you count origin , Epicgame store , Ps5 , Xbox SS SX , Xbone and Ps4 there is for sure 2 millions individuals player still actively playing the game ..
And number will eventually grow if DICE can make any new contents to get peoples attention and if they squash performances issues or at least make it more efficient for many type of hardware on PC at least many disgrunted peoples are like that primarely because they cant run the game without insane stutter , Low FPS etc.. so yeah i can understand their frustration ..
But if you dont have at least a 6 core cpu with 3200mhz + cl16 Ram this game will run like crap , Also enabling DX12 and disabling Weapons DOF help a lots to get rid of the stutter and janky performances at least it did for me and few peoples i know had issues
- 4 years ago@Stew360 Millions still playing you say? So 2042 "sold" about 4,2 million copies, wich includes refunds and 10 hour trials via EA play and Gamepass.
Saying millions are still playing are a bit naive with and 90% dropp on Steam, and I can´t find a game on Xbox series X without crossplay on. And with crossplay on I still have to wait minutes to be dropped into a game.
Heck even the creators of cheats are stoping selling cheats for this game because of teh bad state of the game causing cheats to not work and because the game is dying. - 4 years ago@Blackidus There was no 90% drop .. When a game release everyone from different time zones play at the same time even if its 3am 7 am 12pm etc.. wich create concurents launch peak then things settle for BF it was about 35k or so concurent wich mean poeples playing at the same time ..
I wont explain that 100 times am i ?
Regular poeoples play about 3 days a week or so 1 to 3 hours sessions .. So
Even if we would consider Origin , xbox , epic , playstation all suffered the same so call player loss after 2 months the it would still mean over 60 to 70k concurent player 24/7 thats millions of individual players .. you realise most poeoples log for 1 or 2 hours they are not logged in 24 hours a day lol 😆 - Albake21z4 years agoSeasoned Hotshot
@Stew360 My guy... I see you in pretty much every thread defending not only this game, but mainly specialists, as if your life depended on it. You're like a rock, no matter what anyone says to you, you won't budge even a tiny bit. Even with the hundreds of comments that give exact reasons as to why they disagree, your response has been and always will be "you're wrong, because I'm right."
I get you enjoy the game, but holy * dude, how many comments will have to prove you wrong before you start to lay off the copium? The amount of * you throw out there hoping like hell that it sticks (which pretty much never does) is laughable at best.
If you like the game and specialists that much, that's great, go enjoy the game. But this constant echo chamber that you keep creating absolutely does nothing for the greater good of this community.
- 4 years ago
The advantage is people actually are using this toy story woody skin and they are easy to kill, as they standout a mile with the bright red shirt and massive wide hat lol
- Chief2GFD4 years agoSeasoned Ace
@Albake21z Honestly, who cares if he enjoys the game and defends it? The people who hate the game are the same exact way, right? Everyone is entitled to their opinion whether you agree with it or not.
- Micawber7294 years agoSeasoned Veteran
@Stew360Show me where you get these statists from?
Out of 104k peak on Steam down to 8k per day.
That my friend is anemic.
Now if they want to release a total player count along with platform analysis I’m not buying the millions of players. - 4 years ago@Blackidus Everygames ever see numbers plummets in a very short period of time especially if hardware requirements are steep or if games are not Freetoplay .. Also the whole propaganda about cheat makers is pure PR made by the trolling " Tom handerson " . There is still hacks for BF for Apex legends for any games .. But BF 2042 Spread or bullet spread and how it work as actually hurted the hackers and hacks wich is a good thing so i wont complain ..
MY performances are pretty solid and fluid .. I run the game anywhere between 80 to 130 FPS depending on the mode etc... but normally i am always either between 110 to 130 fps or 80 to 100 so yeah my performances are far from " really bad " but are not the stellar 140 to 200 fps i could get in Battlefront 2 or BFV . Yet i find the performance in BF2042 more fluid and the frame pacing to me is better in BF2042 than it is in warzone at 140fps .. 140 fps in warzone feel worst than 80fps in BF2042 - 4 years ago
Yes, numbers lower after release but usually not by 90% unless something is very, very wrong. And those are just Steam numbers...
Tom Henderson isn't trolling, unlike you, he actually researches whatever he says. And besides, if he's trolling then every content creator that was covering this game is trolling lol...
- Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace
I got my first end of round highlight as Brokeback last night, it was glorious!
- 4 years agoYou can do the math yourself , just look at statistic on how long normal peoples play everyday not uber hardcore peoples .. And how many days they game per weeks you will realise the difference between concurents and total players .. Concurents is peoples logged at the same time . total player
- 4 years ago
@Stew360With a 30% fall off per month, you're looking at 4 months until zero. The game will have lived a total of 7 to 8 months. There might be a 2 - 3k concurrent holdouts, but the game will be 90 to 95% abandoned.
- 4 years ago@-DFA-Thump
The game is still pretty stable across all platform 24/7 so if you hate the game so much why are you even bothering on its forums every single day ?
I dont like fornite and you wont find a single post from me on fortnite forums !
This was is 100X times more stable and in a better state than BF4 or BF3 or BFV at release regardless of Opinions on design or whatever .. the game is highly functional on Any PC that are mid end PC of the last 5 years or so ..
Anything below that will indeed run the game at barely 30 to 45 fps wich is to be expected .. Also many peoples dont even understand what is a XMP profile or how important it is to have low latency fast ram especially with games like this having a 2133 Mhz ram versus having 3200mhz CL16 ram will get you from minus 50 fps to over 80 fps with a 3600 AMD processor wich were 160$ processor lol
So yeah we can say whatever but the reality is millions of players still play this game across all platform .. wich would never translate to millions players in concurents across 24 hours ..
I played about 2 hours today so i was in the concurent players for about 2 hours not more and most players on any battlefield games 50% + plays around 20 to 40 hours total then never played the game after that ..then 35 % + plays 40 to 80 hours before they stop and a fringe minority play more than 100 hours in any BF tittle ever .. If we had steam version numbers for BF4 when it came out youd see i am right lol
BFBC2 was on steam but we have no data from 2010 era but i can garante just by looking at the stats that most peoples didnt played much .. I am still ranked 600 ish in the world in Bad company 1 and i have stopped playing it compleatly after 780hours about 1 year after launch
Ive stopped playing BF3 after few hundreads hours , BF4 ive stopped playing for 1 years directly after launch because it was unplayable so i played planetside 2 and firefall instead wich was much better . and then retried it for few weeks after the august patch the next year ...
Most peoples buy games play for 2 weeks or so then stop playing that game and go to another its the way things work ..
Exeption being MMOs , Uber competitive established fps with wishes to become " pro " or else .. Or live services games like destiny , or even BR like Apex legends , Warzone etc.. wich drop contents that draw back quitters to come back play the game again . Generating Hype all the time
BF 2042 cannot be that game yet but might be .. Yet BF2042 remain the best ever BF combine arms game ever made and 128 players conquest was long due 256 would be even better .. But the main problems is DICE did not manage to create a proper Team structure with Commander , Platoon leaders , Squad leaders , Proximity VOIP , Command VOIP , etc.. wich make 128 players match feel unorganised , chaotics and cooperation is very hard to pull off whithin the team .. They maintained thew Bad company 1 12 vs 12s 4 man squad centric structure . Wich only create squad individualism and does not make anyones feel like they belong in a team - 4 years ago@Stew360 We're still here because we loved the franchise. We're trying to save it from point of no return. This can't compare to previous titles. The whole concept seem to shift over to Hero Shooter, and we are trying to stop that. So no, we're not giving up and just letting it happend. That's why we are "whining and moaning" ...
- 4 years ago
@Stew360 wrote:
@-DFA-Thump
The game is still pretty stable across all platform 24/7 so if you hate the game so much why are you even bothering on its forums every single day ?
I dont like fornite and you wont find a single post from me on fortnite forums !
This was is 100X times more stable and in a better state than BF4 or BF3 or BFV at release regardless of Opinions on design or whatever .. the game is highly functional on Any PC that are mid end PC of the last 5 years or so ..
Anything below that will indeed run the game at barely 30 to 45 fps wich is to be expected .. Also many peoples dont even understand what is a XMP profile or how important it is to have low latency fast ram especially with games like this having a 2133 Mhz ram versus having 3200mhz CL16 ram will get you from minus 50 fps to over 80 fps with a 3600 AMD processor wich were 160$ processor lol
So yeah we can say whatever but the reality is millions of players still play this game across all platform .. wich would never translate to millions players in concurents across 24 hours ..
I played about 2 hours today so i was in the concurent players for about 2 hours not more and most players on any battlefield games 50% + plays around 20 to 40 hours total then never played the game after that ..then 35 % + plays 40 to 80 hours before they stop and a fringe minority play more than 100 hours in any BF tittle ever .. If we had steam version numbers for BF4 when it came out youd see i am right lol
BFBC2 was on steam but we have no data from 2010 era but i can garante just by looking at the stats that most peoples didnt played much .. I am still ranked 600 ish in the world in Bad company 1 and i have stopped playing it compleatly after 780hours about 1 year after launch
Ive stopped playing BF3 after few hundreads hours , BF4 ive stopped playing for 1 years directly after launch because it was unplayable so i played planetside 2 and firefall instead wich was much better . and then retried it for few weeks after the august patch the next year ...
Most peoples buy games play for 2 weeks or so then stop playing that game and go to another its the way things work ..
Exeption being MMOs , Uber competitive established fps with wishes to become " pro " or else .. Or live services games like destiny , or even BR like Apex legends , Warzone etc.. wich drop contents that draw back quitters to come back play the game again . Generating Hype all the time
BF 2042 cannot be that game yet but might be .. Yet BF2042 remain the best ever BF combine arms game ever made and 128 players conquest was long due 256 would be even better .. But the main problems is DICE did not manage to create a proper Team structure with Commander , Platoon leaders , Squad leaders , Proximity VOIP , Command VOIP , etc.. wich make 128 players match feel unorganised , chaotics and cooperation is very hard to pull off whithin the team .. They maintained thew Bad company 1 12 vs 12s 4 man squad centric structure . Wich only create squad individualism and does not make anyones feel like they belong in a team
@Stew360 wrote:
@-DFA-Thump
The game is still pretty stable across all platform 24/7 so if you hate the game so much why are you even bothering on its forums every single day ?
I dont like fornite and you wont find a single post from me on fortnite forums !
This was is 100X times more stable and in a better state than BF4 or BF3 or BFV at release regardless of Opinions on design or whatever .. the game is highly functional on Any PC that are mid end PC of the last 5 years or so ..
Anything below that will indeed run the game at barely 30 to 45 fps wich is to be expected .. Also many peoples dont even understand what is a XMP profile or how important it is to have low latency fast ram especially with games like this having a 2133 Mhz ram versus having 3200mhz CL16 ram will get you from minus 50 fps to over 80 fps with a 3600 AMD processor wich were 160$ processor lol
So yeah we can say whatever but the reality is millions of players still play this game across all platform .. wich would never translate to millions players in concurents across 24 hours ..
I played about 2 hours today so i was in the concurent players for about 2 hours not more and most players on any battlefield games 50% + plays around 20 to 40 hours total then never played the game after that ..then 35 % + plays 40 to 80 hours before they stop and a fringe minority play more than 100 hours in any BF tittle ever .. If we had steam version numbers for BF4 when it came out youd see i am right lol
BFBC2 was on steam but we have no data from 2010 era but i can garante just by looking at the stats that most peoples didnt played much .. I am still ranked 600 ish in the world in Bad company 1 and i have stopped playing it compleatly after 780hours about 1 year after launch
Ive stopped playing BF3 after few hundreads hours , BF4 ive stopped playing for 1 years directly after launch because it was unplayable so i played planetside 2 and firefall instead wich was much better . and then retried it for few weeks after the august patch the next year ...
Most peoples buy games play for 2 weeks or so then stop playing that game and go to another its the way things work ..
Exeption being MMOs , Uber competitive established fps with wishes to become " pro " or else .. Or live services games like destiny , or even BR like Apex legends , Warzone etc.. wich drop contents that draw back quitters to come back play the game again . Generating Hype all the time
BF 2042 cannot be that game yet but might be .. Yet BF2042 remain the best ever BF combine arms game ever made and 128 players conquest was long due 256 would be even better .. But the main problems is DICE did not manage to create a proper Team structure with Commander , Platoon leaders , Squad leaders , Proximity VOIP , Command VOIP , etc.. wich make 128 players match feel unorganised , chaotics and cooperation is very hard to pull off whithin the team .. They maintained thew Bad company 1 12 vs 12s 4 man squad centric structure . Wich only create squad individualism and does not make anyones feel like they belong in a team
You certainly never played BF3 or BF4, BF3 was very stable compared to the disastrous launch of bf4 and now 2042
no this game doesn’t have million of players, not even remotely close.in every game at non-peak hours you have to wait in Q so the Gane can finally start, get a lot of AI in your or the enemy Team (or both)
if you turn crosplay off you can’t literally not play anymore on PC.
but you obviously never have done that.
the console sausages are the reason why this game is still alive on PC, not becouse this Game is flawless and perfect. Less copium please
and in case you still didn’t noticed, the conceptual design of 128 players is one of the reasons this game is so unpredictable, together with those open maps and the failing netcode it is simply not fun for ALOT of players and the Data back this up.
but yeah everything is fine 🤡
- 4 years ago
@Bolvard
I think i was certainly there when BF3 launch , while it was more stable than BF4 for sure it still had a pletora of issues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxkYhs5IZVU
But indeed BF3 was playable at launch so was BF2042 when it launch on the 19 the pre release was more sketchy and felt more like BF3 beta type of thing lol ..
That said i played 500 hours almost already in 2042 and the game was pretty good overall and way more stable than BF4 or BFV months after launch ... BF2042 most oustanding issue were fixed in the first week and ppoor balance decision made after so call " community member " were whining that AR were to " accurate " and said they were lazerbeam and needed to be more innacurate lol Even tho BF4 had the most lazer accurate gun there is .. DICE once again listen to the " community feedback " and paid for it ... Everyones were trashing the game because AR were basically unusable ...
There is no ones saying the game is flawless but sorry to disapoint you but Planetside 2 is very alive on my server Emerald and the steam charts numbers of concurent players are 10 times less than BF2042 and there is no crossplay with consoles in planetside and BF2042 only need 64 to 128 players per match ..if you had steam + Epic + origin numbers it will be well over 30K + concurent players on PC only at every hours in the day so if you add consoles to this it goes well over 60 to 70k if we are conservative with our numbersYou cannot get linked with peoples who have corssplay on .. so as soon as you turn it off you are linked with the only peopples who turned it off .. If the matchmaking was made that anyones could be link in any games as long as they dont have another platform in their lobby you would more easily find games with PC only or consoles only
But its not how it work ,, either you are crossplay matchmaking or Platform specific
ALSO THE ONLY REASON why you dont find much match with crossplay off is simply because the vast majority of players turn crossplay on .. And almost no ones neither consoles or PC turn crossplay off because they want to play with their friends on any platforms .. thats why mate
- 4 years ago
Wait... almost 500 hours of playtime already? That is roughly 8 hours every day. On top of that you spend multiple hours in the forums everyday. :o Are you sure you are not paid by EA/DICE?
- 4 years ago@NarrowSpeedo me?
- 4 years ago
@SavedbyPing I was referring to the post of @Stew360. 🙂
- Man_iLoveFishing4 years agoSeasoned Ace@Stew360 What, 140fps feels worse than 80fps? How should I translate that, now you got me. 😂😂😂 Time to buy 144hz screen?
- 4 years ago@NarrowSpeedo ah ok, thought so since i dont have 500h 😛
- 4 years ago@Stew360 There are a lot of people who would disagree with your definition of "stable" and the fact that you need to qualify it says that performance/optimization was not done right.
I am here to try and prevent BF from becoming the Hero-Shooter / BR DICE/EA are forcing. My hope is that another company picks up what EA/DICE dropped and runs with it but as of right now it is better to try and salvage BF than wait for someone to try and break into the market (WW3 might be able to turn a corner, but it's dodgy at best right now).
I really doubt millions of players are playing this game, but seeing that we don't get direct access to analytics (I wonder why DICE/EA haven't put that narrative to bed by showing their numbers) we are going to have to just agree to disagree on the player count. I also highly disagree that games like battlefield have a 2 week lifespan...that just sounds like justifying 2042's drop-off rate.
The 128 player choice was also a terrible one. Let this sink in....they, did, not, test for 128 players. How could they properly design a map, check for flow, and ensure proper performance when they didn't even bother to try it themselves? 256 would be even worse (both in performance and combat experience for the players). If you thought dying randomly, almost instantly as you try to cover 80 acres of open land to the next objective was annoying...you're only doubling that experience.
The best part is you just showed exactly WHY EA/DICE want BF2042 to be their hero-shooter live service. They want that return player $$$$ and Battlefield was their avenue. - 4 years ago
@NarrowSpeedoWell it was an aproximation its 418hours precisely and i played a lot during the christmas time due to Covid restriction here on Holidays party etc..
- 4 years ago
@-DFA-ThumpWell , i dont need to agree with what they consider stable .. Stable mean its sufficiently stable and bugfree to be played .. I have dozens of RAW video on my youtube chanel and i would love for anyones who pretend the game is in a terrible state to point out what is wrong in the RAW undedited games i played and recorded ... Anyones watching my experience on my PC build cannot pretend this game was or is in a terrible state .. the worst part of near launch was AR spread or bloom wich was done like this to respond to so call " community feedback " of peoples spamming the forums that ARs in the Beta were " to accurate " wich wasnt true yet DICE listened just like they did with BFV ttk and had to roll it back because the peoples they listen to were and are wrong ..And the OP hovercraft non sens
The BEta accuracy was just fine ..Here beta gameplay footage on my PC
Beta here was a bit " rough " on hit reg and some stability aspect
Here was Prelaunch build
Here is the release build
And here is 2 days ago or so
Please point out what is so broken about it ? Also you can see my FPS in 1440p in the top right corner
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