1.) Heroes feature gimmicks rather than actual gadgets to distinguish themselves from other heros than the class system ever was. Meaning, gadgets on heroes are more exatic to try and convince others that hero matters. Classes were this far apart from one another.2.) Wingsuit allows for too much free movement with little to no risk to the user. It's an idea for a single player casual title, but doesn't belong in Battlefield 2042, it's just bad design.3.) The auto-spotting allows people to run around with too much information with what's around them. They should have to manually press a commend to spot.There is an entire class and/ or gadget system about spotting, it's mostly ignored. Why spot things when the game does it for you? What's the point of using cover and/ or going prone when you get auto-spotting when someone is running around?4.) Sliding gives players too much free movement (sliding down a hill and/ or something okay, but when someone can just repeatedly tap sprint to slide over and over is just bad game mechanics and/ or poor design).I believe the removal of these could make the game better in my opinion. Flying around with a wingsuit while you shoot at every red nameplate as you slide around isn't Battlefield... Activision knows its core audience and gives them what they want, but EA/ DICE tries to reinvent the wheel with every new Battlefield title, why?Why does every new Battlefield title have to have some over embellished idea just to sell the title?Why can't Battlefield just be a first person shooter sandbox without these limitations being in the way. Portal tries to do that, but still has limitations built into it.

@Popa2capsBeing able to spot people and convey that to your team with voip has always been a big part of Battlefield. It’s an Arcadey sandbox type experience. I want to be able to see enemies clearly and quickly.When you manually spot an enemy it only gives that info to your squad. The auto spotting for yourself is great. I don’t want to constantly have to spam another button! What would that add to the game? It’s not a stealth type game. There’s elements, but it’s not designed to hide forever. Snipers have glint, it tells you how many people are on a flag, you can spot people. This game is not trying to be a simulator.Sliding and movement is fun to use. BF2042 has some of, if not, the best movement in the series. It’s been nerfed since the beta already, which I was bummed about, but I can understand why. It was awesome while it lasted. Sliding is also something you can’t really spam. There’s a noticeable pause at the end. I actually hate it. If they nerf it anymore it’ll be completely useless and that would be a shame. The only movement choices you had in something like BF4 was to jump around, and that’s what everyone did. That looked way more ridiculous to me.The wing suit I’m not a fan of either. She has access to the whole map while being stealthy. What makes that an issue from my perspective is that she can carry C5 and teammates can spawn on each other.

@Popa2caps so, in the end you want BF3/BF4?You don't like the specialist which brings more freedom of choice and dynamic to the BattlefieldIf you are aware of your surroundings Sundance is a clay PidgeonAlso, you can’t use the wingsuit and shoot at the same time^^ if you got shoot from a Sundance from mid-air you have met a skill full player which get out of the fly modus and where able to kill you (and gets back into wingsuit modus)Motion sensor\T-UGS where part of some BF games before 😉 yeah, the proxy sensor needs a reduction in pulses but (i have sugested in the beginning to remove this thing but know I'm ok with it when they still balance this thing)Also, It is part of the game and good reconnaissance could be half a winSliding is a good addition to the game and due to the huge maps, it gives you more survivability and an additional tactical featureI personally played a lot of BF2 and Bad Company 1 +2 some BF2142 but since BF3/BF4 me and most of my friends (in RL and Online) played less and less BF (One problem was splitting the player base due to DLC’s)So, BF2042 has more in common with BF2 like the styles of Unlock and the huge maps.But as I said in the beginning you don’t want a BF2042 you want BF3/4…So May i ask you why do you play BF2042 when you are bothered so much by the game?Maybe I’m to old but if I don’t like a game I don’t buy or have learned a lesson when I can’t refund it.But I think I never would ask a developer to change the game into something else if this is not a balance thing.but hey only my thoughts on your topic

It seems to be like you want a actual Battlefield game.you have come to the wrong place my friend.

@direct3r Jumping and crouching have always been in BF games. In BF4 everyone just jumped around everywhere, every fight. BF2042 gives you more options for movement. You have to be deliberate with sliding, and there is absolutely a penalty for using it. The most common, and most effective ways of using slide is to push someone around a corner that you already know is there.There are so many shooters out there that really restrict movement, do we really need an Arcadey sandbox BF game to be more realistic? There's Squad, Arma, and so many other "tactical" shooters. I don't play BF for realistic experience. I think MilSims blow. Video games should feel like games.

An ironic username for this topic.

I Think Heroes, Wingsuits, Auto-spotting and Sliding Should Be Removed.

22 Replies

RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Popa2capsBeing able to spot people and convey that to your team with voip has always been a big part of Battlefield. It’s an Arcadey sandbox type experience. I want to be able to see enemies clearly and quickly.

When you manually spot an enemy it only gives that info to your squad. The auto spotting for yourself is great. I don’t want to constantly have to spam another button! What would that add to the game? It’s not a stealth type game. There’s elements, but it’s not designed to hide forever. Snipers have glint, it tells you how many people are on a flag, you can spot people. This game is not trying to be a simulator.

Sliding and movement is fun to use. BF2042 has some of, if not, the best movement in the series. It’s been nerfed since the beta already, which I was bummed about, but I can understand why. It was awesome while it lasted. Sliding is also something you can’t really spam. There’s a noticeable pause at the end. I actually hate it. If they nerf it anymore it’ll be completely useless and that would be a shame. The only movement choices you had in something like BF4 was to jump around, and that’s what everyone did. That looked way more ridiculous to me.

The wing suit I’m not a fan of either. She has access to the whole map while being stealthy. What makes that an issue from my perspective is that she can carry C5 and teammates can spawn on each other.
CountSero
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Popa2caps so, in the end you want BF3/BF4?

You don't like the specialist which brings more freedom of choice and dynamic to the Battlefield

If you are aware of your surroundings Sundance is a clay Pidgeon

Also, you can’t use the wingsuit and shoot at the same time^^ if you got shoot from a Sundance from mid-air you have met a skill full player which get out of the fly modus and where able to kill you (and gets back into wingsuit modus)

Motion sensor\T-UGS where part of some BF games before 😉 yeah, the proxy sensor needs a reduction in pulses but (i have sugested in the beginning to remove this thing but know I'm ok with it when they still balance this thing)

Also, It is part of the game and good reconnaissance could be half a win

Sliding is a good addition to the game and due to the huge maps, it gives you more survivability and an additional tactical feature

I personally played a lot of BF2 and Bad Company 1 +2 some BF2142 but since BF3/BF4 me and most of my friends (in RL and Online) played less and less BF (One problem was splitting the player base due to DLC’s)

So, BF2042 has more in common with BF2 like the styles of Unlock and the huge maps.

But as I said in the beginning you don’t want a BF2042 you want BF3/4…
So May i ask you why do you play BF2042 when you are bothered so much by the game?

Maybe I’m to old but if I don’t like a game I don’t buy or have learned a lesson when I can’t refund it.

But I think I never would ask a developer to change the game into something else if this is not a balance thing.

but hey only my thoughts on your topic
direct3r
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Popa2caps I can agree somehow.
I would also play the game without Heroes and all their gadgets added to the base game like they are.
But there are things that always bring inbalances like the wingsuit, the grappling hook , the hack, the wallhack which shouldn't exist at all in a battlefiel title ( even if some are fun, especially the wingsuit)
2) yeah wingsuit + special grenades is just too much, the wingsuit itself is an enermous advantage on the battlefield but also adds backdoors to gamemodes like rush/breakthrough where people just wingsuit behind these points, put up a spawner and bring their squad in without too much effort
3) 3d Spot is available in Portal and I still heavily favour this one instead of the ping system, both together would be the non plus ultra.
4) I still feel not well with this crouch-jump stuff like it's in cod, you instantly recognize it is been tried to copy this from the other game and I hate that it's possible in both , it looks awkward, it feels awkward and it doesn't make any sense to jump out of slide so easy
DrunkwoIf
4 years ago
It seems to be like you want a actual Battlefield game.
you have come to the wrong place my friend.
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@direct3r Jumping and crouching have always been in BF games. In BF4 everyone just jumped around everywhere, every fight. BF2042 gives you more options for movement. You have to be deliberate with sliding, and there is absolutely a penalty for using it. The most common, and most effective ways of using slide is to push someone around a corner that you already know is there.

There are so many shooters out there that really restrict movement, do we really need an Arcadey sandbox BF game to be more realistic? There's Squad, Arma, and so many other "tactical" shooters. I don't play BF for realistic experience. I think MilSims blow. Video games should feel like games.
RMEChief
Legend
4 years ago
An ironic username for this topic.
Anonymous
4 years ago
Hello, @RaginSam

I honestly believe the current DICE employees added auto-spotting without thinking of the consequences. With auto-spotting always on, people can't use bushes and/ or open cover that freely, so it could very well lead to more players going into buildings and/ or fortified locations, rather than moving along open cover. Basically it could lead to more camping because the user knows auto-spotting exists.

I can't recall the amount of times that someone didn't see me when I was directly next to them, and if auto-spotting was enabled, I wouldn't have had that experience.

Remember manual spotting is a choice, the player doesn't have to use it. Sure it can be repetitive, but still a choice to use it or not.

Example of different outcomes with and/ or without auto-spotting.

Someone gets killed, spawns on a position some ways off from where they died. They quickly move back to the original death location, they might choose not to click the spot button entirely because it slows them down and they just don't feel any threats. Who knows how many people they passed up that could be hiding in cover and/ or prone, but that's the point.

Now, change that same example, but with auto-spotting enabled. Someone that wasn't seen before is found and dies... The entire round was changed just because of one setting.

It's a snowball effect with sandbox video games. Changing one small thing could lead to large consequences, and I think it has more than DICE understands.

Yeah, not a fan of sliding at all. Just feels super odd like someone on ice. Throws off the gameplay in my opinion. To each their own I guess.
Anonymous
4 years ago
Hello, @CountSero

@CountSero wrote:

If you are aware of your surroundings Sundance is a clay Pidgeon

Also, you can’t use the wingsuit and shoot at the same time^^ if you got shoot from a Sundance from mid-air you have met a skill full player which get out of the fly modus and where able to kill you (and gets back into wingsuit modus)
I don't quite understand some of your points in your reply if you could help me better understand as I'd hate to assume and get your opinion totally wrong.
The first issue is I don't have a clue what Sundance is, the movie festival? This entire sentence is ancient hieroglyphics to my eyes. Could you by chance rephrase this at all for me?

@CountSero wrote:
so, in the end you want BF3/BF4?

Technically I would like a successor to Battlefield 4 if DICE was able to provide it, but it seems they want to create "Just Cause of Duty'' instead (Just Cause because of the wingsuit and/ or Tornado's, Call of Duty because of the auto-spotting and/ or sliding movement mechanics). Enough of me being funny (I actually do consider Battlefield 2042 to be more Just Cause then an actual Battlefield title btw).

@CountSero wrote:

Motion sensor\T-UGS where part of some BF games before 😉 yeah, the proxy sensor needs a reduction in pulses but (i have sugested in the beginning to remove this thing but know I'm ok with it when they still balance this thing)

Also, It is part of the game and good reconnaissance could be half a win

True T-Hugs and/ or motion spheres and/ or all spotting mechanics have been in previous titles and/ or this one, but that's what my argument is about. My argument is that auto-spotting causes issues with people getting too much information with little risk, basically just by looking around in close proximity.

I made a good write up about auto-spotting (my opinion) to the first person who replied to this article. You could check it out and should give a more clear view of my opinion as to why I think auto-spotting causes unforeseen issues within Battlefield 2042.

Understand though, I'm not asking for the removal of spotting, but the change back to the manually spotting mechanic found in previous titles. Basically I don't want the game to show a nameplate when you get close to someone.
@CountSero wrote:

Sliding is a good addition to the game and due to the huge maps, it gives you more survivability and an additional tactical feature
Sliding, nope, just don't like it. Could be how it's implemented into Battlefield 2042, but I think it's bad.

@CountSero wrote:

I personally played a lot of BF2 and Bad Company 1 +2 some BF2142 but since BF3/BF4 me and most of my friends (in RL and Online) played less and less BF (One problem was splitting the player base due to DLC’s)

So, BF2042 has more in common with BF2 like the styles of Unlock and the huge maps.
I'm mixed on the so-called free DLC model myself. So many people tend to want games to be free, but at what cost? I don't want the Call of Duty model and have weapons shooting me in the face with colorful laser effects. Also with Battlefield 2042 being a paid game, but the agreement that DLC will be free, how sure will that last?

I'll trust game companies' devotion when I see it, EA and/ or DICE don't have a track record for sticking with their planned service model in my opinion. Time will only tell if Battlefield 2042 follows that same list.

@CountSero wrote:

You don't like the specialist which brings more freedom of choice and dynamic to the Battlefield

But as I said in the beginning you don’t want a BF2042 you want BF3/4…
So May i ask you why do you play BF2042 when you are bothered so much by the game?

Maybe I’m to old but if I don’t like a game I don’t buy or have learned a lesson when I can’t refund it.
Oh, I think there is some confusion here. I currently do not play Battlefield 2042, I'm here on my own accord stating why I don't play it, and what could convince me to come try it. I watch videos online of people playing Battlefield 2042 and see issues with certain things and/ or reasons I don't like it. These 4 in this article are the main reasons why I don't give it another try.

@CountSero wrote:

But I think I never would ask a developer to change the game into something else if this is not a balance thing.

but hey only my thoughts on your topic
That's where you and I differ. I speak to game developers all the time (being I've been testing games since 2013 or so (paid) and most want to hear actual feedback as to why someone might not enjoy their title). Some companies pay good money to hear actual feedback. It's not by chance that Battlefield 2042 has a low population, it means the majority don't find it interesting enough to invest over other titles.

Video games are a for-profit business and if whoever was in charge could be 100% certain that the removal of heroes would net an increase of more players, you would see them quickly removed, but no one can be certain that would happen.

What DICE needs is a playtesting community like it had with Battlefield 4 in my opinion.

So much has been lost to the EA game changer program that nobody part of it doesn't want to speak up, in fear of being removed from the service, so everyone lies just to get their free EA products etc.
ATFGunr
Legend
4 years ago
@Popa2caps We can tell you don’t play, mostly as you don’t know who or what Sundance is. If you played for a minute you would know. If you’ve watched more than a single video like you said, you’d know. If you’re not invested by playing (or have played then rage quit) then your opinion suddenly has less weight. Have a pleasant evening.
UP_Hawxxeye
Legend
4 years ago
I can agree about the slide at least.