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- 4 years ago@ChrisAWJBethel You pay money to get permission (a license) to use someone else's property (the game). You don't own the game (software, code) just because you bought its container (the disc). Same goes for music.
- 4 years ago
@ChugKendallTrue, but again this is a moot point because how often do you actually see a game retailer "revoke" your license to a game you bought? lol You buy the game and go home, or download it. That was the whole controversy behind DRM since DRM and "always online" is basically the only way to shut someone down from playing what usually is an offline game. Same thing in music.
- 4 years ago
@ArchAngeL-PCXThe retailer doesn't own the game, so they can't revoke anything; it is up to the owner to do that, and they usually do it through policing agreements with their network partners. But as the owner, the company should be able to do whatever they want with their product, anyway--including telling you that you are no longer allowed to use it. You agreed to all of the the terms involved when you voluntarily purchased a limited license to play it. If you didn't want to be bound by any terms, you had the choice to keep your money. Instead, you wanted to play the game, and be bound, more than you wanted your money in your wallet--or your convictions intact.
- Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace
@ChrisAWJBethelRead the Terms and conditions. You don't own the game's software, you have a license to use it in the same way you buy a license to use MS Word or Excel for example.
As to revoking the license this could include being caught cheating, altering the code or unauthorised copying. These do happen regularly.
It could also include shutting the game down for whatever reason and you won't have a leg to stand on because you accepted and 'signed' the terms and conditions when you bought the license.
- 4 years ago@ChugKendall Your reading WAY too much into what I posted. lol
We all know what an EULA is. The point is, they'll never care enough to come shut a single player game down on you. lol You'll be able to play it as long as you have a working console. So this is just a circular argument of semantics.
See Sony's "Used game policy" from their now classic PS4 E3 conference of 2013 for more info. lol - 4 years ago@Trokey66 I don't think I've ever heard of a software company shutting down someone's license unless they detect malicious activity. But yeah they can shut the servers down which is a big argument for having the ability to play offline. Not sure it will be a problem with BF2042 though, given that people are still playing BF3 online after a decade. lol
- tyl04134 years agoSeasoned VeteranImagine using the TOS as a justification to why corporations taking your stuff is okay. They won't and literally can't take a physical or DRM free game away and they shouldn't. If i buy something that copy is mine. it's unethical and just wrong and should be illegal as well, imagine if with anything other than software you'd need to constantly keep asking the manufacturer for permission to keep using said product and as soon as they decline they just take it away like it was never even there.
- 4 years ago@tyl0413 @tyl0413 The market abhors a vacuum, so--without government prohibiting it--there will always be someone with a product to fill that void. If people refuse to buy games (or anything else) that can be shut down, someone will come along and try to get all that money that gamers are withholding. Currently, there aren't anywhere near enough gamers that are concerned enough to withhold their money, so there isn't enough incentive for the change.
- ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace@ChugKendall Why do you and @Trokey66 think this is okay? It's not okay, it's oppressive and deceitful.
- 4 years ago@ChrisAWJBethel How is creating a game for you to enjoy "oppressive and deceitful"? I have to say, I am truly amazed by your response.
The company tells you, upfront, everything about how they will manage the product--the product that they own and can do with whatever they wish--in the TOS & EULA. If you don't like the terms and conditions, you are completely free to take your money and do something else with it--like buy a competitor's game, and hit them where it hurts most: the bank account. Or you could save that money for a rainy day, take someone out to a nice dinner, get some new clothes, etc. The possibilities are endless, and for you alone to decide!
So, again, how is knowing all the terms ahead of time, knowing the company's track record as you do, and being completely free to choose what you will do with your money, "oppressive and deceitful"? - Jesse1654 years agoSeasoned Ace
Going to end it right here with my Final Argument. Really hope the Community Managers and others from EA and DICE read this:
I can completely understand and accept having to be online and connected to the servers in order to play with friends.
What we are asking for is that the Solo SinglePlayer Bot Matches be playable offline. That's frickin it !!!
How does us playing offline effect others in any way whatsoever?
The only correct answer is that it doesn't !!!
It doesn't take away any "online features" either because we are still playing the Same Maps and Modes as everyone else.
Heck the Solo Bot Matches themselves are already in the game from the start !!!
All we are asking for is that we can eventually play them offline as well for those that have slow internet and especially for when the servers themselves are down !!!
The servers will go down. They are still broken in Both TitanFall games and on Xbox at least they are still down for Battlefields 4 and 1 as well. This is Unacceptable !!!
They will probably be overwhelmed for Day 1 just like the launches for every other multiplayer game so far.
If so then the game will be completely unplayable no matter how good your own internet is... Unless we can play it offline.
This is why they are needed the most. I really want to get the Ultimate Edition to support DICE for adding the Bot Matches finally. But a big part of me doesn't want to pay $100+ for something that is completely unplayable when the servers are down... It really is as simple as that.
- Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace@ChrisAWJBethel Why agree to something that you know is 'oppressive and deceitful'?
As @ChugKendall says, it's your choice to accept and abide by the ToS or go somewhere else. - Jesse1654 years agoSeasoned Ace
Yes I know there is already another thread for this but this post is too important to be buried so I am making it's own topic here.
And I seriously hope those from EA and DICE fully read this to understand why this is important.
I can completely understand and accept having to be online and connected to the servers in order to play with friends.
What we are asking for is that the Solo SinglePlayer Bot Matches be playable offline. That's it.
How does us playing offline effect others in any way whatsoever?
The only correct answer is that it doesn't.
It doesn't take away any "online features" either because we are still playing the Same Maps and Modes as everyone else.
Heck the Solo Bot Matches themselves are already in the game from the start!
All we are asking for is that we can eventually play them offline as well for those that have slow internet and especially for when the servers themselves are down.
The servers will go down eventually and probably even at release. They are still broken in Both TitanFall games and on Xbox at least they are still down for Battlefields 4 and 1 as well. This is Unacceptable!
The servers will probably be overwhelmed for Day 1 just like the launches for every other multiplayer game so far.
If so then the game will be completely unplayable no matter how good your own internet is... Unless we can play it offline.
This is why they are needed the most. I really want to get the Ultimate Edition to support DICE for adding the Bot Matches finally. But a big part of me doesn't want to pay $100+ for something that is completely unplayable when the servers are down... It really is as simple as that in the end.
Please DICE don't let this game die like those others have. Please let us play the Solo Matches with AI Soldiers Offline!
- 4 years ago@Jesse165 Agreed 100%. Given the extreme issues EA game servers have experienced this year, it seems like a no brainer that offline play should be enabled for a game that has AI bots. Battlefront 2 did it. Battlefield 2042 should as well.
- ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace@ChugKendall "OK, comsumer. Our game is finally complete. You can buy it at your local retailer. Get ready for the experience of your life!
Oh, we forgot to mention one tiny insignificant detail: You're not buying a copy of the game. You're buying a LICENSE to use the copy of the game. We therefore reserve the right to- at any time and without any warning whatsoever- revoke that license for any reason we see fit. Have fun!" - ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace
@Trokey66I'm forced to agree- otherwise I can't play the game, and just not playing the game doesn't solve anything. It's just like how African-Americans (at first) were forced to accept the laws concerning slavery and Jim Crow.
- ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace
@Trokey66You know, instead of thinking of reasons why offline bots can't and shouldn't be implemented into Battlefield, you could just as easily come up with reasons as to why they can and should.