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- Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace@ChrisAWJBethel What compromise have they made in producing that controller?
They also probably did a cost/benefit analysis through market research etc and deemed it viable.
DICE would have to make compromises to the online game plan.
DICE may have also done similar cost/benefit studies and deemed it unviable.
Until and unless you know definitively why there is no offline 'bot' mode, this is a pointless debate. It ain't coming, and possibly never will. - tyl04134 years agoSeasoned Veteran
@Trokey66
1. On a LAN, just multiple PCs connected to each other but not to the internet, again something you can easily do with games like Quake or Counter Strike (even Global Offensive and it doesn't even interfere with their F2P business model which is further proof even with the most anti-consumer business models you can find a way to implement the features i suggested without hurting profits, if they did i'm sure Valve would remove it).
2. Those games do not have an expiration date, as long as there exists a machine that can run them or emulate them in the future they'll be playable, they were developed in a way that makes it very easy to preserve them. Always online ones sometimes can be preserved if a private server emulator can be developed but that's significantly harder and therefor rarely happens.
3. I personally? That doesn't really matter. I already got to play many of now shut down always online games and even if i never again wanted to touch them it's really sad that now the decision that i or anyone else can't make for themselves because it's been made by the developers for us that no one can ever again play.
4. Yes, i play loads of games released 2,5,10,20+ years ago
Games do not go bad as time passes. Graphics or certain mechanics will age but a good game will always be a good game and worth revisiting, it's quite sad if you think these days games don't offer anything that's worth keeping around in the future, or are strait up so bad you're okay with them being killed. If that's the case why play them now. Thought you have a point, sports or modern mobile games are certainly not something most people will miss but even with that i'd rather them not be killed. I or anyone else shouldn't be the one to decide for you if you should be able to play a certain game or not. - ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace@Trokey66 I'm pleased at your confidence in the assertion that Battlefield 2042 will not have offline bots.
- lzilchetl4 years agoSeasoned Ace
@tyl0413I really don't mean to sound callous, and I admire your passion, but, for me offline play is not something I'm worried about and I've not ever played a BF game after the release of the newest version.
I've also never driven a car at 120mph and would not worry if I had a car that could not go that fast. Others might think it important, but I am sure no-one would try to convince me that my car manufacturer should produce a car that should do 120mph, when it is not something I care about. Even less would they expect me to support a campaign to persuade the manufacturer to build that car just because they wanted to go that fast. - ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace@lzilchetl Other people enjoy playing games offline. Why should they have to suffer because the majority of players play online?
- tyl04134 years agoSeasoned Veteran@lzilchetl and that's totally okay, if you're happy with the game the way it is that's great, this thread is for those who are not but it kind of turned into a war between those that want offline and those that don't care.
Coming to this thread with "why do you care/well idc so it doesn't matter" is really not helping anyone. - lzilchetl4 years agoSeasoned Ace
@ChrisAWJBethel wrote:
@lzilchetlOther people enjoy playing games offline. Why should they have to suffer because the majority of players play online?Its hardly suffering is it mate? Its a computer game.
What do you really want to happen here? Is trying to make a load of random people on this forum care about something that does not matter to them the best way of achieving that? I'm not fussed if you fight for it or even if you manage to achieve it. But trying to convince me and others on this thread is not going to make any difference is it? Have you thought about writing formally to EA or organising a petition, or putting together a YouTube to spread the word?
Personally, I think you are fighting a futile battle, happy for you to prove me wrong. Good luck with that.
- lzilchetl4 years agoSeasoned Ace
@tyl0413Fair comment. I'll back out of the thread and leave the topic alone. I think the point,some including me, have been trying to make is that the AI soldiers that feature in 2042 are not bots as you know them. They are probably the biggest bit of innovation Dice have produced in a long time. They have to be as they will play alongside you, follow orders, jump in vehicles and have a skill level similar to real players. KDR will be allocated the same with the AI soldiers as with real players, The concept of the game will fall over if they to not measure up to real players. The bots we have seen until now have been cannon fodder. It is a significant change. The vast majority of computers/consoles have nowhere near the processing power to run even a partially populated local server with bots with that sophistication. This relies heavily on cloud processing, its not something that can just be turned on for offline mode, online access is an essential part of the architecture of the game. My point has always been that the game would need to go back to the drawing board if you are going to get your offline not very AI "bots" and that is certainly not going to happen before launch, if ever. I am completely impartial and have no reason to try and scupper your chances of achieving this, but I , and others become frustrated because some have unrealistic expectations and then seem to become indignant when we try to point that out.
But, go for it.
I'm out (I promise)
@Trokey66 wrote:
@ChrisAWJBethelDoes that mean that Aston Martin, Rolls Royce and Jaguar should consider me when making cars or in reality do I accept that I can only afford my Seat?
Should Rolex or Cartier consider me when they make watches or should I just accept the fact that my Timex will suffice?
Should Gordan Ramsey look at his restaurant pricing for me or should I just settle for my Friday night Fish and Chips?
Businesses should cater to their customers as best they can but don't have to cater to everyone.Businesses will ALWAYS consider what customer wants. Without customers there's no businesses. It's a golden market rule.
- @dragonslayerxxx1 Business don't *always* consider what customers want, unfortunately. I have been a store manager for a couple of international companies that failed to adapt and change with the times, and they went bankrupt. They wanted to force consumers to adapt to *them,* instead of them adapting to the changing needs of the *consumers.* By the time they figured it out, it was too late to restructure and recover. For example, Gamestop is trying to do it now, but as soon as consoles switch to no disc drive, I feel that Gamestop will be done--unless they can successfully make the switch to collectibles, toys, game-related merchandise and clothing (which they have been working to do, for the last few years).