MAPS lacking Armored Air/Ground vehicles

I see your point. If squads play as a squad which they have made difficult in 2042, vehicles would have little recourse but to fight each other. However as the balance currently stands vehicles will still feel overpowered particularly if there are more on the map. Not having weapons specific to class may have made their life more difficult when it comes to infantry to vehicle balance since everyone can carry rockets. I will look forward to a match when all those players start working together with all those rockets. 

I mostly fly the bird and it is just an absolutely miserable experience trying to get one now with 4.0 it just completely zapped all enthusiasm I had toward this game. Now with 1-2 slots total for the nightbird, jet, and attack chopper midgame it is a long wait or just not happening. And its too hard to get one at the start now since they took away the voice queues at the beginning of the match. You can't anticipate what side you are going to be on so you can't preemptively place your mouse cursor over the vehicle icon anymore. It is complete luck of the draw now so with a limited vehicle pool and long cooldowns I spent a ton of time at the spawn screen waiting and that is not fun to me. I just want to fly I really don't see the big deal about that. It is what I find fun and it is in the game for a reason. It should be easier to get one. Same thing goes for every other vehicle.

@Necromantion @Joe234567891011 

Same here man this is completely OBSURED!  Took out the fun of All out Warfare Conquest! 

All they had to do was just add more cover to maps not decrease vehicle pool and increase cool down timer......

I'm also waiting endlessly to be able to spawn into a tank or helicopter/jet... Before 4.0 it was decent and now its horrible... Whats worse they have plans to lower the vehicle count even more..

Think I'll be heading back to BF5 strategic conquest

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@Necromantion wrote:

There are active individuals on this forum even who have  explicitly said they dont want to have to swap their loadouts to deal with vehicles... 

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I assume you are referring to me here....

Care to post the quote where I explicity said I didn't want to swap kits to deal with vehicles?

The only comments I've made on this matter are:

-The stinger is boring.  Lock on/automated weapons are inherently unfun.  I'd like to see a skillbased, dumbfire, AA launcher option. Lower skill floor, higher skill ceiling.

-Such a skillbased AA launcher should offer the user some hope of downing a good pilot.

I can only imagine how much more triggered you'd be if I actually asked for a hard nerf to vehicles or a hard buff to the stinger.

For what it's worth I'm not the vehicle hater you make me out to be. Other opinions I hold:

-C5+Drone should be removed.

-Wingsuit + C5 should be removed.

-All Battlefield maps should have planes and tanks

-My best Battlefield experiences were in Desert Combat modded servers with 12+ heavy armor and 7+ air vehicles per side on 48 man servers.

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@Necromantion wrote:

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@caroliro wrote:

I dont think its about not liking vehicles from infantry side. They haven’t provided adequate  tools for infantry to defend themselves. Lock rockets break lock way too easily or for no reason and range is way too short. Non lock rockets are too slow and do paltry damage if the do hit. Less vehicles is a misguided solution to the true problem!

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It most certainly is. There are active individuals on this forum even who have  explicitly said they dont want to have to swap their loadouts to deal with vehicles... despite that always having been the requirement in BF games previously if you werent equipped to deal with something. And we even have a specialist that allows it to happen without dying/respawning.

Vehicles in this game are, and have always been, structured around squad based game play. And the multiple nerfs already to heliocopters because people cant be bothered to pick up a stinger, spawn an aa or use a soflam and an M5 is just absurd and was totally unnecessary.

Now we have a slower and shared spawn on these vehicles and they're totally inaccessible. 

I used to be able to get attack helios a few times a game, now i cant even get one more than 1-2 times across two or three maps.

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Being too lazy to swap your load out to deal with vehicles!? Then why are they playing a battlefield in the first place!? So is the true problem with specialist because players cant be bothered to adjust to the change in the general structure of battlefield!? I’m just starting to realize that they have developed themselves in a corner. Lack of incentive for squad play makes it frustrating for previous battlefield players playing 2042 because without help a single soldier barely scratches the paint of air vehicles. When people wise up and start playing cooperatively, Angel can provide the resources for being lethal against air or ground on the fly and then it will break the experience for pilots. Sounds like they need to add some vehicle to vehicle modes or add vehicles back to existing modes and maybe reduce splash damage or circle of damage to infantry? Then when people accept 2042 is never going to revert to previous BF’s and start playing based on what it is and not based on what it isn’t they can adjust balance from there.