Range + turn angle both have been nerfed. A welcome change since it was quite ridiculous how those rockets can literally circle around your heli 2-3 times before running out of fuel while being able to do a full 360 within a 50m radius.Another good change (Hopefully) is jet. F35 will be more agile to be on par with SU-57Overall, great news in addition to season 4BATTLEFIELD 2042 UPDATE #4.0 (ea.com)

@UP_LordPlumber Pilots will be begging for another nerf if they get hit once

@Psubond Pilots never stop whining.They can go 100-0 and they'll still complain about having to fly away for 20 seconds to autoheal if they get hit with 1 stinger.

@Tank2042Man wrote:@Padding_Ur_StatsYou said the same thing about the class rework yet every honest player knows there's just as many rocket launchers around as there were pre class rework.There are now. At the time of the change, there were not. For the first couple weeks, armor was nigh indestructible. Pilots didn't die and played all game without a respawn (unless another vehicle targeted them)Which was always going to happen when snipers can still equip rocket launchers for example.Since those launchers are for the most part Lis, bad sniper is bad. They light themselves up and give away their locations. That being said, they are not the ones who are rocketing you. Ive been playing, those rockets are not coming from snipers. Snipers do not care about pilots, they are farming infantry.Turns out weapon proficiencies isn't a big enough draw to persuade players to stick to their class guns.It was at the beginning, but what you do not realize is, it was you, the pilots, who told them what to do. In the beginning, there was less then 10% map presence of Rockets, and they were not working together. Vehicles were running roughshod over everything. 100 kills and any pilot deaths came from other vehicles for the most part. The odd vehicle who died by Lis came here screaming OMG SHE IS OP!!!!!!!!!!!!! They misrepresented information on Lis, they posted outright incorrect information about her abilities, whining ad nausea to get her nerfed. After several weeks of being farmed, those infantry players had a few choices.1: Stick with status quo and be frustrated2: Go to another game3: Play rockets.With all the bellyaching the pilots did, the infantry player base had enough and based on Pilots info (they were reading), they switched to Lis. Now, the tables have turned. Players are playing as DICE designed and pilots are still whining, still sharing misinformation, still outright misrepresenting data in order to get EZMode. What was it another thread said, constantly dodging missiles is not fun? Yet, there was no mention that infantry constantly dodging vehicle fire wasn't fun. It is this incredible hypocrisy that pilots used to nerf infantry. They expect the rules of the game to change for their ease. I find it ironic that in the Lis nerf, DICE talked about skill, yet there is no mention of the skill necessary for pilots to dodge missiles. It just goes to show DICE sets the skill level for survival very high on infantry, and incredibly low on pilots. Who would've thought!Oh that's right, little old me 😁Ironically, you were part of the people getting players to give up their guns for rockets. It was you, among others, who convinced them that a Specialist was OP (when she wasn't) . And like most pilots, playing an OP part of the game was attractive to them, after getting farmed incessantly.Funny thing is, if 25% of the player base continues to play Lis, these changes will change little on the message boards. Rocket range isn't an issue when you have many people playing Lis. Pilots will continue to whine, continue to beg for nerfs, continue to expect to survive, rather then exhibit skill to survive. They whine about C5, they will whine about multiple Lis. Pilots will continue to whine because they believe infantry isn't there to combat them, they are there for their KD Epeen, and anything that might threaten that, needs a nerf. What!!! We can't hover to farm infantry, NERF THEM!!!!!!! What! We cant park at the flag and farm infantry, NERF THEM! Too many of them playing together!!!! NERF THAT. Yes, nerf teamwork has been a foundation of pilot posts.I do await future posts that Air vs Armor is unfair and nerfs needs to be applied. Oh wait, there already is a thread about that.Who would've thought!!!!Oh that's right, little ole me. :D

@UP_LordPlumber wrote:Maybe because pilots who are capable of solo farming are actually good and spent an insane amount of time learning that one specific thing?DICE doesnt think so. See the comment they made in their nerf announcement.I literally LOLd. They are increasing the skill cap on Lis to, and I quote "Ease up on the vehicle player experience". Apparently 5 deaths are causing pilots to seek counseling and DICE believes the pilot skill set to be trash. Prepare to see all these "skilled" pilots hovering above nodes farming infantry and if one lone Lis still hits them, they will be back here whining.How come people are ok with players who are farming infantry on foot. Getting 70-80+ kills in a single conquest game. Yet pilots who do the same thing are instantly not allowed?Is this a troll? If not, I will answer just for the sake of presuming youre being honest. Because you cannot fly away on foot to a place where others cannot go without dying and heal. Because, when youre on foot, it doesnt take a special weapon to take you down and you have to sit there with a big red light on you waiting for someone to gank you while your ammo is on its way to hit you. Because while I am standing there aiming, 4 times. Because....This has bothered me for so long. I keep dropping 50+ kills pretty much every single game on foot, and nobody complains about it. But as soon as I get into the littlebird and start dropping same amount of kills, instantly reddit and forums blow up calling me a heli no lifer. Whats the difference?Exposure. The difference is exposure. Youre probably getting killed 7-10 or more times while you're getting 50 kills. You cannot outrun me on foot. You cannot run out of bounds and hide to heal while on foot. You do not carry a healbot on foot (sans falck) Birds might die once. Might! You're either being purposely obtuse or you're a troll.

@Tank2042Man wrote:@PsubondFor tanks its a minor nerf to the rocket.But Dice have been monitoring and it's clear they have seen major issues.I think its encouraging that Dice are continuing to make adjustments based on good feedback, observations and data.We are the CTE which is fine by me.Im not mad about nerf. I just think pilots will cry for more

Pilots rejoice! Lis got quite a nerf (4.0 Patch note)

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disabled_tweeke
3 years ago
@Psubond wrote:
@Man_iLoveFishing wrote:
@PsubondNo support, sneaking up with rocket when you hide, nope.
lol, i don't expect support from pilots. pilots don't want balance.
if a missile is slower, less agile and has less range then something should be given back to allow the skill of positioning and knowing when to fire (when the pilots aren't looking) to be a viable strategy. right now the pilots get a multi second siren letting them know they need to jink (they don't even need to know where it's coming from, just that they need to jink)
like i said, i don't expect pilots to go along with anything resembling fair play. they want to be omnipetent farming machines and don't think that any counter should exist
I do want balance. I should never ever ever ever ever die to any of you AA rats though because just how much better I am. How is that not clear?
Kona_uk
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
Rats lol your no better than anybody else you mouse.
VOLBANKER_PC
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@disabled_tweeker Ah yes, the pilot entitlement. “I spent a lot of time practicing to become the good pilot I am now, so it should require TEAMWORK to shoot me down” - which is said knowing fully well that teamwork has been in short supply in every Battlefield game since the dawn of time.
Psubond
3 years ago
is he being serious or sarcastic? i thought he was being sarcastic
VOLBANKER_PC
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Psubond Next up for pilots’ “nerf this, nerf that”-campaign is the 50mm cannon on ground vehicles. It can actually damage air units that are flying low over the ground. Clearly that’s unacceptable!
Man_iLoveFishing
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@3DiE9djua2 @Psubond @Kona_uk That's why it was impossible to avoid in some hundreds of cases. (First clip only emulates sound, i didn't have side deaths left.) but when it comes from the side, you wont see it and icon in many cases didn't show up. And for "jinks", these were problems. This is fair case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZCda60H-t0
Kona_uk
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
Your just a poor player who want's to farm easy infantry kills with no skill simple. Now get back in your hole and stay there.
Man_iLoveFishing
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Kona_ukYep, that must be it! Now move on if you have/got/can't give constructive feedback.
UP_Hawxxeye
Legend
3 years ago
@disabled_tweeker wrote:
I do want balance. I should never ever ever ever ever die to any of you AA rats though because just how much better I am. How is that not clear
The first sentence and the second one are completely at odds with each other.
3DiE9djua2
3 years ago
@Man_iLoveFishing That video is fair and illustrates your experience. It seems you are suffering from desync a lot which may also be the reason you have issues with hearing the tgm earlier (?). It looks like the first example with the sound also had some desync issue. If you stop the video on the frames around 00:02.11 (in video clock) you see it going to your left.
I have never experienced anything like that and even from that glacier I have heard tgms coming way earlier than in the video whether it is in heli, in a ground vehicle or simply on foot. I also see plenty of pilots react to my own tgms the moment I shoot them from the side or behind so they are also hearing the tgm much earlier than in the video. However it seems we have different experiences when it comes to how early the sound is heard so there's no point continuing that discussion. Maybe a bug report should be made regarding all the desync.
But in the end this have nothing to do with the current nerf on the tgm. As I previously said the tgm pre buff was fine and there were no reason to start messing with it. tgm after the last patch is more like a glorified recoilless so far. Of course I need to use them more to adapt but my opinion is still that the last nerf was going overboard just like the previous buff was overboard the other way.

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