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- @TuskegeeHeir
I understand to your point but EA can't ask for ID's to play a game... People always will be like this way. Some players are toxic, Some players are playing for fun, Some players are playing only with friends...
You or EA can't change players choices or how they act. I know its bad but we live in 2021. 🙂
You can Report players for cheating, abuse, (toxicity) and harassment here -> https://help.ea.com/en/help/faq/report-players-for-cheating-abuse-and-harassment/ @WindowsManTv_CZEI feel like you didn't read the entire post, because I addressed this too. "There will always be one" is never an excuse to sit on your hands and do nothing.
- Fringerunner4 years agoSeasoned Ace
@TuskegeeHeirWindowsman isn't wrong though. The issue you want to tackle (not that it *shouldn't* be tackled, i'm actually with you there) requires more than just one game putting in some kind of framework, it pretty much requires internet access itself to be keyed to some kind of IRL ID like passports etc, because if it's digital, it can and will be spoofed (pretty sure the idea behind the TPM reqs on windows 11 is to try to achieve something along the lines of what you're asking for more than it has to do with ITsec or anything else).
And right now, there is a way to achieve what you want as suggested by others (i do this automatically in just about all games now as i'm just tired of the constant flow of stupid over unmoderated voice chat) which is turn off ingame VOIP as a rule, assume chat will be horrid and just try to catch the few times where relevant information is being put out, and find a guild/discord etc where there's clear rules and active moderation.
Some potentially good news for you though, first it should be relatively easy to find a portal server with constant admin presence if it launches with the admin tools "promised", and second I've seen at least one guild so far advertising on this forum with a a code of conduct pretty close to what you're asking for.
Maybe go ping them and see if the community is what it advertises, and you'll get more or less what you ask for via their discord.
Directly implementing what you're asking for is going to be legally difficult in quite a few countries, and damn near impossible in some, so EA/Dice taking that upon themselves is a cost/benefit question that lands squarely in "oh hell no", even if the idea itself probably would make policing the community a lot easier/better.
It's not perfect, and while your idea has merit in theory, implementation is just about impossible unless it's internet-wide, and even then some people are just so blindingly stupid/xenophobic/racist that even that wouldn't stop them from going full idiot on a daily basis.
Much like in real life, the trick is to pick your friends rather than try to eradicate stupid.(edit: again though, this isn't a long-term solution or "right", but it is what it is on the internet atm. Again, change there has to happen at the root/culturally, not via individual games)
- @Fringerunner I appreciate the difficulty of the system logistically, but I also know it can be overcome in most countries BF has a presence in if it's taken seriously. Some countries would probably be left out, I realize that. But this is also not something any player would be compelled to do regardless. Would it suck for those players in an unserved country would would also like age-gated play? Absolutely. But I take that as a challenge and not a barrier.
Companies not unlike EA constantly brag about how they solve tough problems, so I think it's entirely fair to tell them to put their money where their mouth is. This is a real problem, but no meaningful action has ever been taken on it and it's long-past time somebody do so. As far as the wider gaming community, devs talk. They look at what other devs have done and how it worked and try to see if they can implement the same systems. GDC revolves around this, and it only takes one system to work for others to then start copying and remixing it for their communities. In academia we do this via publishing our research. We expect and encourage other researchers to read and run with it in almost whatever direction they deem useful. - Fringerunner4 years agoSeasoned Ace@TuskegeeHeir Here's the thing though, words are nice and cheap vs hiring first the legal people required to do a review on each country EA operates in to figure out which territories they could implement it in (scandinavia and some of the baltic sea states have some interesting ID linking to digital systems that would work as an example), and after that figure out a framework that would work without compromising each country's ID system and data laws, and then develop it and staff it + make sure the system stays on top of changing laws in all territories and making sure the framework can be changed as required in each territory.
I'm sure they already have some of this done just due to data retention laws being fairly different between just the US and EU, but that's probably solely from a marketing/data sale for advertising basis.
Looking at the mess that is core communication platforms as an example. (reddit, twitter, facebook etc)
They're very very slowly moving towards making a choice on moderation vs "free" but even they, who literally make their money on people communicating on their platforms, are incredibly timid about policing that content because the moment they set a standard or take responsibility for policing "bad" content, the amount of new hires required becomes a not-insignificant change to their bottom line, not to mention it opens them to a host of legal challenges in many countries.
(See Australia's recent "twitter is responsible for the content on their platform" kerfuffle and the fallout/debate around that as an example)
For what it's worth, i think with all the scrutiny said communications platforms are under and how quite a few countries are looking at how they can make those platforms liable for their content is going to force through a change with EA long before debates on forums like this will, because the second a country requires communication channels to be moderated, it'll affect games as well as platforms like twitter etc.
The only downside to that bit is that most of the more "progressive" countries when it comes to these things are fairly small, so until some larger countries decide to pull the finger out and EA would really notice it if they didn't comply, i think it will be next to impossible that any real change happens.
Until then most companies will talk a big game, and do the absolute minimum required to claim compliance at the same time.
Again though, for now we have self-policed communities and guilds/clans, and that does count for something. @FringerunnerI'm not sure if I really want to dive into the content moderation debate since that's outside the scope of anything I'm proposing or asking for. I also want to be clear that I'm not even asking anybody to be compelled to hand over a an ID of any type. This is a suggestion of an option to be platform-segregated by age and that's it. Finding something workable for most nations will definitely raise privacy concerns about what data is retained by who and for how long, but that's a sort of logistical detail that comes only after anyone even decides they're willing to take on this problem. I think EA can if they cared. I know it's an expense they don't want. But I'm advocating for me and others who want this problem solved so it doesn't do us much good to worry about EA's profit concerns.
- Fringerunner4 years agoSeasoned Ace@TuskegeeHeir No issue with that and go for it, just pointing out the logistical issues let alone the ethical ones.
As i said, in theory i'm all for it 🙂 - FlipperBucket84 years agoNew Novice
Actually EA does require age verification for hard copies in stores you must show ID. Its actually a LAW
But for digital down loads noone cares because the c/c is mom and dads and if they use points its no checked.
The reality of it is never going to be enforced because how else will they make money.
Just make the controllers bigger so their small hands cant hold the damn thing lol
- FlipperBucket84 years agoNew Novice
Video games could probably help make the change since you cant discipline anyone even your own kids without fear of child abuse.
You see the videos of people losing there * when they have a bad game or issues....
Cant ground them force them to clean up. But take away the game and they smarten up.
Such a sad future we have