@ATFGunrIt's also possible to snipe and shoot out pilots in other air craft as well, the same is also possible with the Bolte despite it being in the "Armored" vehicles category.
The Stinger seems to have splash damage that goes through the Nightbird it self, when a Stinger hits a Hind/Condor, the passengers take damage but not the Pilot or Gunners.
i have shot pilots out of a HIND and condor with SMGs and DMRS when they are stupid and try to hover near an objective (shoot at the back seater in the hind, that's the pilot and you can get them to crash if you cap him)
@Psubond That's absolutely fine, but I see this, like in the video, the equivalent of firing a RPG at a Tank and killing the Tank Operator from outside.
There's no point in taking a Night Bird when the Stealth Heli can survive for three times as long and impact the game twice as much. Even the Apaches can survive twice as long, solely because a Stinger won't kill you, the pilot whilst flying it.
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:@Psubond That's absolutely fine, but I see this, like in the video, the equivalent of firing a RPG at a Tank and killing the Tank Operator from outside.
There's no point in taking a Night Bird when the Stealth Heli can survive for three times as long and impact the game twice as much. Even the Apaches can survive twice as long, solely because a Stinger won't kill you, the pilot whilst flying it.
the difference is you can't shoot the tank driver with a smg. you can in aircraft. if a bullet can pass through the windscreen a surface to air missile definitely should be able to. it all depends on where the missile hits
I got shot out of a Hind last night by a Lis rocket. Everyone else survived....
@Psubond Now here's the big crux of the apple pie. This happens to the Recon Light Vehicle and Hovercraft, a mere grenade can kill the driver of a Recon, they're classified as "Light" vehicles, you can't take the Recon and then prevent your team from having a Tank.
You can take the Night Bird and prevent your team from having a proper helicopter that doesn't 1 shot the pilot and leave the Heli on half HP.
That's the problem, why is the Night Bird in this category if it's possible to directly kill the pilot with a missile?
I feel like this must be a bug because its never happened before 1.0.0. So I'm guessing it has something to do with the new physics given to aircraft in the update.
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:@Psubond Now here's the big crux of the apple pie. This happens to the Recon Light Vehicle and Hovercraft, a mere grenade can kill the driver of a Recon, they're classified as "Light" vehicles, you can't take the Recon and then prevent your team from having a Tank.
You can take the Night Bird and prevent your team from having a proper helicopter that doesn't 1 shot the pilot and leave the Heli on half HP.
That's the problem, why is the Night Bird in this category if it's possible to directly kill the pilot with a missile?
where else are you going to put it? it was an attack aircraft being used for attack. you can argue for the creation of a scout category but i think if they do that everything but miniguns should be removed because at that point it's not an attack aircraft
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@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:@Psubond That's absolutely fine, but I see this, like in the video, the equivalent of firing a RPG at a Tank and killing the Tank Operator from outside.
There's no point in taking a Night Bird when the Stealth Heli can survive for three times as long and impact the game twice as much. Even the Apaches can survive twice as long, solely because a Stinger won't kill you, the pilot whilst flying it.
the difference is you can't shoot the tank driver with a smg. you can in aircraft. if a bullet can pass through the windscreen a surface to air missile definitely should be able to. it all depends on where the missile hits
@PsubondFurthermore, you can shoot the driver of the Bolte, so by your argument, a missile should be able to kill the driver of the Bolte as well? If so, then why is the Bolte in the armored category? You see my point.
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@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:@Psubond Now here's the big crux of the apple pie. This happens to the Recon Light Vehicle and Hovercraft, a mere grenade can kill the driver of a Recon, they're classified as "Light" vehicles, you can't take the Recon and then prevent your team from having a Tank.
You can take the Night Bird and prevent your team from having a proper helicopter that doesn't 1 shot the pilot and leave the Heli on half HP.
That's the problem, why is the Night Bird in this category if it's possible to directly kill the pilot with a missile?where else are you going to put it? it was an attack aircraft being used for attack. you can argue for the creation of a scout category but i think if they do that everything but miniguns should be removed because at that point it's not an attack aircraft
@PsubondI think it's fine where it is, but this "thing" where a stinger can kill a pilot needs to be fixed. It was never like that before.
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:
@Psubond wrote:
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:@Psubond Now here's the big crux of the apple pie. This happens to the Recon Light Vehicle and Hovercraft, a mere grenade can kill the driver of a Recon, they're classified as "Light" vehicles, you can't take the Recon and then prevent your team from having a Tank.
You can take the Night Bird and prevent your team from having a proper helicopter that doesn't 1 shot the pilot and leave the Heli on half HP.
That's the problem, why is the Night Bird in this category if it's possible to directly kill the pilot with a missile?where else are you going to put it? it was an attack aircraft being used for attack. you can argue for the creation of a scout category but i think if they do that everything but miniguns should be removed because at that point it's not an attack aircraft
@PsubondI think it's fine where it is, but this "thing" where a stinger can kill a pilot needs to be fixed. It was never like that before.
i think it's fine if it is based on where on the nightbird the missile hits. if it hits square on the windscreen or on the side where the pilot is sitting then it should kill him since you can shoot someone through those spots with small arms. anywhere else on the helo, no it shouldn't kill the pilot. i've gotten shot out of a lot of transports with 30mm cannons M5s and stingers when i was the passenger without destroying the vehicle and i've shot a bunch of pilots out of HINDs and condors, why should the nightbird be special in that regard?
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@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:
@Psubond wrote:
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:@Psubond Now here's the big crux of the apple pie. This happens to the Recon Light Vehicle and Hovercraft, a mere grenade can kill the driver of a Recon, they're classified as "Light" vehicles, you can't take the Recon and then prevent your team from having a Tank.
You can take the Night Bird and prevent your team from having a proper helicopter that doesn't 1 shot the pilot and leave the Heli on half HP.
That's the problem, why is the Night Bird in this category if it's possible to directly kill the pilot with a missile?where else are you going to put it? it was an attack aircraft being used for attack. you can argue for the creation of a scout category but i think if they do that everything but miniguns should be removed because at that point it's not an attack aircraft
@PsubondI think it's fine where it is, but this "thing" where a stinger can kill a pilot needs to be fixed. It was never like that before.
i think it's fine if it is based on where on the nightbird the missile hits. if it hits square on the windscreen or on the side where the pilot is sitting then it should kill him since you can shoot someone through those spots with small arms. anywhere else on the helo, no it shouldn't kill the pilot. i've gotten shot out of a lot of transports with 30mm cannons M5s and stingers when i was the passenger without destroying the vehicle and i've shot a bunch of pilots out of HINDs and condors, why should the nightbird be special in that regard?
Then they must make it so you can kill the Bolte driver with a missile as well. There's too much inconsistencies in this game.
I've never been shot out a transport heli whilst in the Minigun seats. Only the Pilot, 2nd Gunner and passengers are exposed.
Again, this is definitely a bug and I hope they fix it because it happens from a stinger hitting the tail of the Nightbird too. It doesn't matter where the missile hits.
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:
@PsubondThen they must make it so you kill the Bolte driver with a missile as well. There's too much inconsistencies in this game.
I've never been shot out a transport heli whilst in the Minigun seats. Only the Pilot, 2nd Gunner and passengers are exposed.
Again, this is definitely a bug and I hope they fix it because it happens from a stinger hitting the tail of the Nightbird too. It doesn't matter where the missile hits.
are you sure an M5 to the driver window in a bolte won't kill the driver?
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@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:
@PsubondThen they must make it so you kill the Bolte driver with a missile as well. There's too much inconsistencies in this game.
I've never been shot out a transport heli whilst in the Minigun seats. Only the Pilot, 2nd Gunner and passengers are exposed.
Again, this is definitely a bug and I hope they fix it because it happens from a stinger hitting the tail of the Nightbird too. It doesn't matter where the missile hits.are you sure an M5 to the driver window in a bolte won't kill the driver?
@PsubondYes. 99%. and If I'm wrong, then it shouldn't kill the driver because again, it's in the "armored" category for a reason. In all my time driving Bolts, I've never been killed straight out of the driver seat by explosives. Fly the Nightbird after 1.0.0 and bam, suddenly a missile can kill you without destroying the vehicle.
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:
I've never been shot out a transport heli whilst in the Minigun seats. Only the Pilot, 2nd Gunner and passengers are exposed.
Again, this is definitely a bug and I hope they fix it because it happens from a stinger hitting the tail of the Nightbird too. It doesn't matter where the missile hits.
i have been killed in minigun seat without vehicle being shot down
and yes it matters where the missile hits the nightbird. i had a bunch of hits on nightbirds last night without killing pilot. (no kill on first missile, second missile usually got them unless they did some of that pilot * and ran)
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:@PsubondYes. 99%. and If I'm wrong, then it shouldn't kill the driver because again, it's in the "armored" category for a reason.
then why can you shoot the driver with a pistol?
@PsubondThat's very strange, because you can't see the occupants who operate the miniguns in either the Hind or Condor...
And obviously it does not matter because I've just said, I've experienced a missile kill from impacting on the Tail.
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:@PsubondThat's very strange, because you can't see the occupants who operate the miniguns in either the Hind or Condor...
And obviously it does not matter because I've just said, I've experienced a missile kill from impacting on the Tail.
if it didn't destroy the aircraft i would need to see that to believe it
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:@PsubondThat's very strange, because you can't see the occupants who operate the miniguns in either the Hind or Condor...
i agree, it is odd, but the 30mm cannon as well as M5 rocket launchers have gotten me. i'll record it next time and post the vid
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:
@PsubondGood question. Should probably ask DICE because I don't know. I thought maybe they would cover the front panel with armor.
at launch the hovercraft and bolte were pretty much invincible to small arms fire. they adjusted it
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@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:@PsubondThat's very strange, because you can't see the occupants who operate the miniguns in either the Hind or Condor...
And obviously it does not matter because I've just said, I've experienced a missile kill from impacting on the Tail.
if it didn't destroy the aircraft i would need to see that to believe it
@Psubond Is it so hard to believe that the explosive splash damage on aircraft and some land vehicles is bugged? lmao. That's a lot of mental gymnastics tbh. I'd would've uploaded that video as well but it got corrupted by Nvidia's recording thing.
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:
@PsubondNot really... They nerfed the armor on the Hovercraft and then they nerfed the 30mm Cannon on the Bolte. I think made a minor nerf to the armor on the Bolte but there ability to withstand small arms fire remained unchanged. A M5 is not exactly small arms fire.
sounds like some testing needs to be done. i can't do it but i'll see what i can find
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@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:
@PsubondNot really... They nerfed the armor on the Hovercraft and then they nerfed the 30mm Cannon on the Bolte. I think made a minor nerf to the armor on the Bolte but there ability to withstand small arms fire remained unchanged. A M5 is not exactly small arms fire.sounds like some testing needs to be done. i can't do it but i'll see what i can find
I had a Bolte run up on me last night, I jumped out of the way and he ran into a dumpster. I fired a full mag into the windshield with zero effect until I reloaded and the driver jumped out and got me on the animation...testing needs done. I think I may have the vid...I'll post it when I get home if I have it...I had clipped it because it spawned me in the road right in front of the speeding Bolte. Spawn mechanics ya know 🙂
