Re: It is definitely hard to get rid of a well flown nightbird on the new map.

A good example of why this map is trash and why the NB is still OP for the 7th Season running....

https://x.com/Flex_Lane/status/1775599149968437560?s=20

@MADMAC50K
this is less about the nightbird itself in isolation and more about how there are no LATVs, WildCats or CAVs.

This is like how ecoystems work in the real world. If you remove the species that can keep a predator in check, the predator will ravage the area.

The inclusion of LATVs alone with their 20mm Flak would have been really helpful.

I do not understand their thought process with excluding jeeps but providing tanks.

A lot of things about this season are borderline insane decisions

@MADMAC50KLol, no lockons, no tgms, soflams, instantly birds fault. 😅😂

Example, lock on breaks farming.

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@MADMAC50K wrote:

A good example of why this map is trash and why the NB is still OP for the 7th Season running....

https://x.com/Flex_Lane/status/1775599149968437560?s=20

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Wait there’s an AA gun in the base? I’ve never gone back that far, is it functional? 

@ATFGunrNot functional at all. The AA turrets in both bases were located by Stevie Wonder, because only someone who couldn't see would have picked such a stupid place for them. Also they can be easily taken out by a NB pilot, as the video shows.  The do very little damage and feel far less effective than the turret on Reclaimed for example.

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@Man_iLoveFishing wrote:

@MADMAC50KLol, no lockons, no tgms, soflams, instantly birds fault. 😅😂

Example, lock on breaks farming.

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It's the very start of the round, and that map doesn't really justify half of the team spawning with an AA loadout just to try to take out one NB.  Besides, the NB can easily dodge TGMS, or duck behind the dunes on the left or one of the buildings at the back to replenish flares, then rinse and repeat farming....I've hardly ever seen Lis or anyone firing rockets on that map, because everyone knows it's pointless.  And the new SRAW (the one that takes out the NB in the fake trailer?) is even more pointless!

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@MADMAC50K wrote:

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@Man_iLoveFishing wrote:

@MADMAC50KLol, no lockons, no tgms, soflams, instantly birds fault. 😅😂

Example, lock on breaks farming.

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It's the very start of the round, and that map doesn't really justify half of the team spawning with an AA loadout just to try to take out one NB.  Besides, the NB can easily dodge TGMS, or duck behind the dunes on the left or one of the buildings at the back to replenish flares, then rinse and repeat farming....I've hardly ever seen Lis or anyone firing rockets on that map, because everyone knows it's pointless.  And the new SRAW (the one that takes out the NB in the fake trailer?) is even more pointless!

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I agree that it is pointless to run AA loadout on this map just for 1 NB. I would only do this when playing with my friends so we can coordinated address the threat. But playing with randoms you put yourself at a disadvantage by focussing on the NB. 

I've ran Lis on this map but mainly to use her TGM against rooftop campers. I managed to down a NB with it once on this map, but this was mainly because I caught it off guard fighting with our own NB.

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@Man_iLoveFishing wrote:
@RanzigeRidder21 soflam is enough.

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Not when playing with randoms it ain't....

@Man_iLoveFishing Lock-ons seem to have no affect on pro pilots - they just wait for the "missile incoming" warning before popping flares.  Then they know they have 12 seconds to get away and replenish before continuing the farm.  Good engineers don't bother wasting their very limited ammo on pilots that haven't already popped flares, as they know it's just wasting ammo.  So pilots have a win win situation....

@MADMAC50Kpilots have win win situation as much infantry has. You die as infantry, you get back up after 7 seconds or you get revived. In other hand pilot survives stinger, yes. But it at least stops farming cause after flares needs to get away. I played haven for 2 weeks only with bird and many games were when i cant get out of base/dunes cause of constant locks/hacks and tgms. I consider myself one of the best pilots flying that thing (not in aiming wise, but actually handling vehicle in narrow places "aerobics" or the fastest getaway cover which might be a tree). And ram is hella toxic for bitd btw, ofc depends of team and situations.

@Man_iLoveFishing
It definitely depends on the team. Sometimes your own team works against you by wasting your own teams bird or vehicles.
But I have had some really toxic rounds vs some T1 Nightbirds.

On one of them I was even having 2 of my platoon working with me to try to nail the pilot the entire round with all we had, it did not helped that for a while some absolute genius in our team managed to lose our own Nightbird to enemy hands.
It took many TGMs to finally nail that bird. I know that the stingers can deter for a while but unless many people do it, the good pilots will just fire back at the engineers as often as the immunity window allows them.

Clip of the kill shot

You need Rao on the team. Perhaps you dont kill the bird but you stop him and make him run for cover. Rao hack makes him launch flares. Stingers are useless in this game unless you are waiting at the spot where bird recharges the flares. Kill little bird is Lis missiles or direct shots from tanks, tpg’s, recoils etc.

Little bird is overpowered as hell in this game once you master it.

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@Col_Larsen wrote:

You need Rao on the team. Perhaps you dont kill the bird but you stop him and make him run for cover. Rao hack makes him launch flares. Stingers are useless in this game unless you are waiting at the spot where bird recharges the flares. Kill little bird is Lis missiles or direct shots from tanks, tpg’s, recoils etc.

Little bird is overpowered as hell in this game once you master it.

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The issue is that the spot where the NB recharges its flares is out of bounds behind the sand dunes where infantry can’t come and wait.

And this is not only on Haven the issue.

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@Man_iLoveFishing wrote:

@MADMAC50Kpilots have win win situation as much infantry has. You die as infantry, you get back up after 7 seconds or you get revived. In other hand pilot survives stinger, yes. But it at least stops farming cause after flares needs to get away. I played haven for 2 weeks only with bird and many games were when i cant get out of base/dunes cause of constant locks/hacks and tgms. I consider myself one of the best pilots flying that thing (not in aiming wise, but actually handling vehicle in narrow places "aerobics" or the fastest getaway cover which might be a tree). And ram is hella toxic for bitd btw, ofc depends of team and situations.

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Flying away to replenish flares only needs to last for 12 seconds.  And there is usually plenty of cover to do so.  The whole issue is that the balance is all wrong.  It is too hard to take out the NB when getting farmed.  If all we can do is scare it away for 12 seconds at a time, then the game is broken....