Re: So I tried a Controller for a few days

@TheseusJasonhey, many thanks, I just try to dispel some of the misconceptions around all the pc vs console stuff with actual proof from my own testing. Both are in the wrong with many things and its about trying to highlight to both to help with their understanding and see each others point of view.

@YT_SMKGAMING

While appreciating the effort in creating the video I wound like to stress that your comparison of recoil patterns between PC and console was not wrong, but completely unrealistic of what is important when playing.

What you are missing when looking at the patterns is that neither on PC nor on console you would magdump, but you burst. And therefore (almost) the only thing that matters is the initial multiplier and how far the bullets per burst are spread apart. And the Symthic multiplier values are taken from the game files and not measured IIRC, so they are accurate, so the horizontal multiplier is there as well, but did not really show in your tests (try this again over larger distances and you will see that one as well).

For close distances as you have shown what you have presented is indeed true of pure mag dumping, but in these instances I would not even try to aim but hipfire in most instances. And most other good and experienced players would neither. You need to do this test over larger distances and not so close up and do realistic bursts lengths. Not sure which maps you are playing, but mag dumps that RARELY happen in the game. At least for good players and over larger distances when shooting at single targets.

Do 40+ meters and then burst (depending on the weapon) the number of shots you would need in game. I am not saying that the result will be completely different, but I notice that if I die to controller players, then I get killed in one single burst more often than not. For PC players not as much. To me this suggests that the grouping of the initial burst allow console players to land more shots on me than PC players that need to follow up with more bursts. While I would be dead in the console case I might survive if the PC player is not good at tracking and not landing enough hits on the second burst. Some of my observations might indeed be explained by confirmation bias, but I am confident that the core statement I made is true and should be easy to verify in a more realistic test.

@ForumUserHey, I think I replied to you on the YouTube video already but I think you misunderstand the purpose of the video. What you are saying is correct, burst firing at distance is important to maintain accuracy. You seem to be talking about time to kill more here though. If we are looking at ttk, pc will still win as bursting with a mouse is far faster compared to the trigger on a controller. Also easier to control too as I demonstrated, but also because a trigger has 1) more travel and 2) a deadzone, it slows bursting down on a controller compared to a mouse. But this video was purely about disproving a myth. See if you are being killed quicker by controller players in your view the following could explain it. I can tell you it isn't because of lower recoil or being able to control it better compared to pc and mnk. Its because they cannot control the recoil and its pulling their aim up to your head faster. This will be even more evident at a greater distance. I really don't think some players understand how bad many controller players are 

@ForumUser" I can assure you that this is not the case and I definitely kill faster with guns that have less recoil." Yes because you are going for headshots straight away cause you can control it and can stay on the head. With controller users they go for waist or chest. If they have snap aim on it is likely to be the waistline.The problem we have here is that you have pc players not understanding controller mechanics and likewise controller users not understanding pc. Then there is the difference between TTK and TTD.

Let me ask you a question here, you have a perception built in your mind around controller players, they have assists that help them and give them an unfair advantage. That much is clear. So what happens when you get killed by said controller player, you remember it, it sticks in your mind. Another pc player? Forgot within seconds even though it was just as fast. They don't have assists, it doesn't bother you. But the controller player, that fast TTK of that player and that happening over and over again only reinforces your belief, incorrect or not.

So do you think your dislike for AA and reduced recoil etc with console players has influenced your belief that they can kill you faster than pc players. Could it simply be the disparity between TTK/TTD and you only remembering the controller engagements. Or.... you really believe that controller players really are more accurate and can kill faster

I know myself, killed by a pc player, the thought of hacker would cross my mind, console player? Never does it cross my mind. I am more likely to put a pc players apparent skill down to something else compared to a controller player. But being aware of this helps me stay objective in my videos

On crossplay, I like it as an option, but should be off by default 

@YT_SMKGAMINGKeep in mind, it's not just a Console thing, you can obviously use a controller on PC as well.

I still stand by everything I've written in this thread. Aim assist will definitely stick to a player coming out of cover, you have to give the game some input though. Like I've said before, aim assist kicks in more when you give the sticks even a little bit of input. Otherwise it will not fully track an enemy.

I've seen players move like MnK players using a controller. I've watched many streamers, YouTubers, and friends use controllers. Not everyone can manage that type of movement, and I'll agree that it is easier on a keyboard, but there's plenty of people out there that can do it. Are they doing that weird claw grip thing, or maybe using paddles? I don't know, but watching them play, it would be hard for me to be 100% sure that they were on controller at times.

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@YT_SMKGAMING wrote:

Sorry but AA in battlefield 2042 doesn't work like this, if you have your crosshair on a corner and a player runs out it will not track on its own, you still have to put input into the stick.

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Wrong. Yes it does track on its own. I've seen it many times when I turned aimbot on. Normal aimbot, not auto rotation aimbot, aka the kind of aimbot that isn't supposed to do that.

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@RaginSam wrote:

@YT_SMKGAMINGKeep in mind, it's not just a Console thing, you can obviously use a controller on PC as well.

I still stand by everything I've written in this thread. Aim assist will definitely stick to a player coming out of cover, you have to give the game some input though. Like I've said before, aim assist kicks in more when you give the sticks even a little bit of input. Otherwise it will not fully track an enemy.

I've seen players move like MnK players using a controller. I've watched many streamers, YouTubers, and friends use controllers. Not everyone can manage that type of movement, and I'll agree that it is easier on a keyboard, but there's plenty of people out there that can do it. Are they doing that weird claw grip thing, or maybe using paddles? I don't know, but watching them play, it would be hard for me to be 100% sure that they were on controller at times.

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Or they map jump to LB and crouch to RS like you're supposed to.

@BFPlayer10No it doesn't, I look forward to your video evidence on this. You always have to have input on the sticks to have tracking help out. You literally haven't mentioned a single proper name for the forms of AA in the game. Aimbot? You referring to snap aim? it snaps to target, but does not track either

https://youtu.be/-TjeMlhkN74

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@YT_SMKGAMING wrote:

@BFPlayer10No it doesn't, I look forward to your video evidence on this. You always have to have input on the sticks to have tracking help out. You literally haven't mentioned a single proper name for the forms of AA in the game. Aimbot? You referring to snap aim? it snaps to target, but does not track either

https://youtu.be/-TjeMlhkN74

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I'm going from ingame experience. Any player can walk in front of your crosshairs and it will drag as the player passes by. This has been confirmed by Quagsie in an Enders video on crossplay over a year ago. Sorry, I dont clip footage of stupid stuff like this. I will call aimbot what I like. You know very well what I'm talking about, no need to make me conform to terms i will not use.

@BFPlayer10Not if there is no input on the sticks. A player standing still and player runs past, nothing will happen. All the information I have on aa in Battlefield has come from Julian Manolov aka _jjju_ who helped code AA in battlefield since BF4. Plus my hundreds of hours testing it in portal servers 

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@YT_SMKGAMING wrote:

@BFPlayer10Not if there is no input on the sticks. A player standing still and player runs past, nothing will happen. All the information I have on aa in Battlefield has come from Julian Manolov aka _jjju_ who helped code AA in battlefield since BF4. Plus my hundreds of hours testing it in portal servers 

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Fair enough. I never said you don't have to be moving for it to work. Regardless, regular aim assist as you might call it should not be doing that. That is a trait of "rotational aim assist". Bugs do occur in this game from time to time.

As for movement on a controller, nothing is stopping anyone from mapping movement to the d-pad, jump to LB, and crouch to RS. I own a controller with paddles and I can assure you, it is not necessary to use paddles because I use the exact same controller mapping on a regular controller (paddles mapped to the sticks, and sticks disabled to prevent wear & tear).

Changing controls should not be seen as anything above casual. If someone is going to spend an average of 2-3 working hours to pay for a video game, it should be expected that they can spend a few minutes in the settings menu to change their settings. The definition of casual in modern gaming is becoming a synonym for what we used to call being completely brain-dead.