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UP_Hawxxeye's avatar
UP_Hawxxeye
Legend
4 years ago

Re: Wildcat. Why no “flak” physics for 40mm/57mm flak cannon?

It is that mindset that modern AA should be all about missiles.

But the problem with the missiles is that they are binary in that they either cannot be avoided or are always avoided.

It is the thing that also made well piloted aircraft (mostly jets) a plague in BF3 and BF4, especially BF3. Probably also in BF2

Honestly I would had expected from the future to have more...futuristic solutions for combating aircraft. Currently in the real life there are experimental laser beam AAs that can take out even combat drones.

I am sure that even in the current years, there are still flak autocannons on the ground.

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  • AngrySquid270's avatar
    AngrySquid270
    4 years ago
    @UP_Hawxxeye wrote:

    It is that mindset that modern AA should be all about missiles.

    But the problem with the missiles is that they are binary in that they either cannot be avoided or are always avoided.

    It is the thing that also made well piloted aircraft (mostly jets) a plague in BF3 and BF4, especially BF3. Probably also in BF2

    BF2 had the same problem.  60-0 pilots were common.  BF2 didn't have any sort of AA launcher available for infantry - we only had the suicide chairs.  The homing missiles from the suicide chairs could be consistently outmaneuvered by pilots or simply countered with flares.

    As you point out balancing around lock-on weapons is an impossible task. Ace pilots will either solve the threat or not - neither of which is a desirable outcome.

    Desert Combat did it best with dumbfire proxy fused Stingers plus high skill ceiling tanks that could punish any low flying helis/jets.  Ace tankers were getting 3+ air kills a game.

  • Zhukov211's avatar
    Zhukov211
    4 years ago

    What’s perplexing is the fact that we see proper Flak rounds exploding near aircraft in BFV. I know because I used to haul around the 30mm flak AA behind the APCs, deploy the gun and score lots of aircraft kills. I also used to build the flak guns. 

    Why/how do we not see proper mid air explosions near aircraft with the 40mm and 57mm flak rounds from the Wildcat in 2042? 

  • Zhukov211's avatar
    Zhukov211
    4 years ago

    Air domination still an issue. Flak physics still do not exist in 2042. 

    Please consider importing the BF3 AA tank over toall 2042 core game modes and retire the Wildcat until we can see proper flak physics for the 40mm and57mm flak cannons. 

    Also the AA tank needs its own spawn pool in every match where aircraft are present. Currently the Main Battle Tank and Wildcat share the same spawn pool. This results in obvious extraordinary imbalances for the team that doesn’t have an AA tank considering the fact that current meta is all about air domination 24/7 on every single Conquest match. 

  • ATFGunr's avatar
    ATFGunr
    Legend
    4 years ago
    @S3SSioN_SoL The 60mm flak pods for both the Wildcat and tanks are pretty great, against both aircraft and infantry, I’ve recently changed the mortar to the flak pods. Those rounds offer the flak dynamics like you said. The OP wanting the AA cannons to have flak is realistic, however the concept of them is based on the shells airbursting at a programmed elevation. This throws a cloud of shrapnel ideally in front of a moving target that flies through. If the burst is too low, then you wouldn’t damage the higher moving target. Too high, and your rounds may well penetrate the target and not explode. Airburst flak would tend to less damage to ground vehicles. It’s be great to be able to change from an air burst to a conventional in game, and be able to engage both air and ground targets. If the AA only had flak ammunition, it wouldn’t be useful against ground targets, so in regards to this game, conventional rounds are probably better for their multiuse capabilities. IMO, the flak pods have been underrated in the game, and we’re going to see it more common.
  • kregora's avatar
    kregora
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @Zhukov211 @Zhukov211 Oh that is easy, the description for the 40mm and 57mm cannon explicit mentions, that these are not meant to shoot aircrafts. These are ground target guns, when you run the Wildcat in an scout configuration.
    Only the Dual 30mm AA guns are Anti-Air.

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