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Blesh
Seasoned Novice
4 years ago

Silver lining for Season 1 delay?

OK, hear me out: maybe the delay of the Season 1 will be good for the franchise in the long run.  I think what is happening is that EA/DICE is shifting available resources to implement the very kinds of things the long-time players have wanted / assumed would be included all along: scoreboard, VOIP, squad incentives, player stats, etc.  The so-called "legacy features".  Why are they doing this?  They realized that putting so much effort into restructuring the game turned out horribly.  Who knows why they did it: they wanted to cash in on Battle Royale or hero games and couldn't shift back in time, they didn't want to make players feel bad with things like a visible K/D ratio and other stats, they wanted to appeal to the lowest common denominator player, or whatever.  It doesn't matter why they did it or, in fact, whether it was driven by EA or DICE.  In the end, they took the decision to restructure the game and remove key features and they ended up with a business disaster.

The net effect of all this is that BF2402 is going to take a huge hit.  I personally think it will recover, but it will take a while and the angst people are feeling now is materially more substantial than with past releases and will have a bigger impact on future releases.  So, what's the silver lining?  I think that this will stick with DICE and EA as a monumental lesson on what not to do. "You want to do what?  Don't you remember BF2042?  No, absolutely not."  And not just by DICE, but with EA management.  Money talks and making changes that could dramatically diminish player count will resonate with people who don't understand or appreciate what makes / has made BF so fun.

What's the happy path?  This is my opinion, but my hope is that BF2042 has a long life as the player base comes back for better gameplay and new content. And that after that, because EA/DICE have learned the lesson the hard way, the next BF, whatever it is, will have all of the legacy features at release and some unique features to keep things fresh.

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  • This would be the best outcome. But I think after all that happend they really have to do it right. That's not going to be easy and the odds are very much against them. 

    If they can pull it off, that would be super awesome.

    But I can't get myself to believe that that might actually happen.

    We can only wait and see. But I wouldn't get any hopes up unless they actually start changing things for the better in a serious tempo. 

  • What a serious oversight - to try turn battlefield into a BR focus; they should've made a separate title, and given battlefield fans "battlefield", instead of "mass-apex".

    People don't shop at a pizza outlet for sushi - they want pizza. They expect to find it at the pizza outlet, like we expect to find battlefield.

    The delay for season 1 leaves us with 7 awful maps for 6 months. The game will seriously struggle for a player base, only the nightbird mains will remain.

    The only redemption now is if they put serious effort into reworking their present maps long before season 1 release, so that people can actually play them.

  • Blesh's avatar
    Blesh
    Seasoned Novice
    4 years ago

    We live in a world where 20+ year old TV shows get a re-boot movie. Even with the huge blunder that is 2042, there will be another game.

  • Blesh's avatar
    Blesh
    Seasoned Novice
    4 years ago

    @0_Katsui : I couldn't agree more about the pizza comment.  Ever been to one of those restaurants where the menu is 20 pages?  They can't make that much stuff fresh there.  It's almost always mediocre.  Lesson: when you try to be everything to everyone, you end up being nothing to everyone.


  • @Blesh wrote:

    OK, hear me out: maybe the delay of the Season 1 will be good for the franchise in the long run.  I think what is happening is that EA/DICE is shifting available resources to implement the very kinds of things the long-time players have wanted / assumed would be included all along: scoreboard, VOIP, squad incentives, player stats, etc.  The so-called "legacy features".  Why are they doing this?  They realized that putting so much effort into restructuring the game turned out horribly.  Who knows why they did it: they wanted to cash in on Battle Royale or hero games and couldn't shift back in time, they didn't want to make players feel bad with things like a visible K/D ratio and other stats, they wanted to appeal to the lowest common denominator player, or whatever.  It doesn't matter why they did it or, in fact, whether it was driven by EA or DICE.  In the end, they took the decision to restructure the game and remove key features and they ended up with a business disaster.

    The net effect of all this is that BF2402 is going to take a huge hit.  I personally think it will recover, but it will take a while and the angst people are feeling now is materially more substantial than with past releases and will have a bigger impact on future releases.  So, what's the silver lining?  I think that this will stick with DICE and EA as a monumental lesson on what not to do. "You want to do what?  Don't you remember BF2042?  No, absolutely not."  And not just by DICE, but with EA management.  Money talks and making changes that could dramatically diminish player count will resonate with people who don't understand or appreciate what makes / has made BF so fun.

    What's the happy path?  This is my opinion, but my hope is that BF2042 has a long life as the player base comes back for better gameplay and new content. And that after that, because EA/DICE have learned the lesson the hard way, the next BF, whatever it is, will have all of the legacy features at release and some unique features to keep things fresh.


    Ill support this because its positive! 

  • Agree with GrizzGolf, its a nice positive touch.

    However, I did buy this game full price and you can easily get it for 1/3rd of the price already. Imagine the price in summer? Basically this just shows me that I did in fact pay for an early access version and sure, they will fix alot of the stuff by summer (hopefully) but doesn't change the fact I paid full price for this broken product and people can just get it cheap in the summer...

    Well, I truly feel scammed by all this, more so than Godus or Anthem so I requested a refund through steam today. I hope they give me back my hard-earned money so I can spend it on developers/publishers who care about how their product launches. Also, this will have been the last game I have ever purchased from EA since Anthem Legion of Dawn's edition purchase still left a sour taste in my mouth.

  • Blesh's avatar
    Blesh
    Seasoned Novice
    4 years ago

    @Daeyon-be : I can sympathize. Even if you believe that they can turn it around in the long run, it’s cold comfort to the people who aren’t getting their money’s worth now.

  • I think it is only right so see the delay in a possitive light. It is an admition that the game was not ready for release and that they took the game in a wrong direction.

    It would had been a lot worse if told us to just cope with how the game is now and  buy their next DLC in March. (Aka the BFV development cycle and support)

  • Flavin913's avatar
    Flavin913
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @UP_Hawxxeye Love the blind positivity.

    I'll tell you what an admition would really be, a refund to the people who paid a 100 dollars for the early access. Or a simple statement, "sorry we lied, sorry we tried to sneak this one past ya"

    And who would it be worse for they just told us to cope with it? Many gamers have moved on, EA/Dice are the ones stuck on the sinking ship of their own making.

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