SMGs still too good?
Yes, the patches have made the situation better but I feel that SMGs are still a tad too good, especially at range, compared to other weapon types. On the subject of range...... I am torturing myse...
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I feel the 40 tick servers make them feel better when used against you than they actually are. So often I find myself dead to them before the game has even told me I'm being shot at but using them myself I never experience the insta kill effectiveness that I often see against myself.
@Noodlesocks wrote:I feel the 40 tick servers make them feel better when used against you than they actually are. So often I find myself dead to them before the game has even told me I'm being shot at but using them myself I never experience the insta kill effectiveness that I often see against myself.
Where did you get the information on the tickrate?
I've been wondering what it is, and how it might be interacting with TTK, TTD and hit registration on machines with less than 8 physical cores.
@filthy_vegansI don't know if the tick-rate has been 'disclosed' by Dice, but the tick rate is probably lower than 60hz. 128 players with a tick-rate of 60, is probably not realistic.
The 'netcode' feels pretty bad in 2042, a lot of 'getting killed behind corners' and the "BFV TTD bug" is still in the game (smgs with high ROF are pretty bad). A low tick-rate is probably part of the problem.
For me it seems like the problems of the visuals not being correctly represented on screen (was in BF1/BFV as well), is worse than in previous titles. People instakills you from behind cover (peek, shoot, dead) or they instakills you in animations like landing from parachuting, coming off zip-lines etc.
@cso7777 wrote:@filthy_vegansI don't know if the tick-rate has been 'disclosed' by Dice, but the tick rate is probably lower than 60hz. 128 players with a tick-rate of 60, is probably not realistic.
The 'netcode' feels pretty bad in 2042, a lot of 'getting killed behind corners' and the "BFV TTD bug" is still in the game (smgs with high ROF are pretty bad). A low tick-rate is probably part of the problem.
For me it seems like the problems of the visuals not being correctly represented on screen (was in BF1/BFV as well), is worse than in previous titles. People instakills you from behind cover (peek, shoot, dead) or they instakills you in animations like landing from parachuting, coming off zip-lines etc.I had an awful time tonight with hitreg, just straight-up losing gunfights that I should have won and getting wonderfully weird kills on people I had no right to beat. A friend who mains the night bird was having an even worse time with lag, teleportation and spawning into choppers that had already magically taken damage. It was pretty frustrating.
As you point out, the 128 player requirement makes higher tickrates impractical, but it also puts a lot more strain on the client CPU, hence why 64-player maps perform significantly better. The engine uses 8 worker threads; 12- and 16-core monsters see no performance gains over 8c/16t chips unless they have more cache or higher clock speeds. I'm going to upgrade my CPU in the next few months anyway, so I'm wondering if the players with higher-core-count, higher-IPC chips than mine (an R5 3600) are having fewer issues. Hit detection is client-side with server-side sanity checks after all.
@Trokey66- I do feel SMGs are a bit too good at range. Since getting T1 with the MP9 I've switched to the M5A3 and see your point - at the kind of ranges where the assault rifles become useful against SMGs you're spamming for the headhsot rather than aiming with low magnification sights, and the recoil with higher magnification sights is harder to control. The SMGs rate of fire and lower recoil make them just as (if not slightly more) viable than an AR at those ranges.
I can see the point in extending effective engagement ranges, but I'm not sure that will work. I think I'd give the SMGs serious damage drop-off after 50m and tweak down the recoil from the assault rifles or give them all a burst-fire mode.
DMRs are in a bit of a weird place at the moment too, although I still have to play more with them to get my eye in and a better feel for them.
