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Stew360
4 years ago

Specialist and freeclass system is Better than the OLD Class system VIDEO inside

Here i made a little videos and probably ommited some points that i wanted to make but i am not a content creators per say so i dont really care .. i express reality and not BS narative b...
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Stew360
4 years ago
@X-Sunslayer-X Wrong Angel can only revive faster . Angel cannot heal team mates at range and angel give 20% amor on revives so the player will gets 70HP being revive with angel and 120 later on if not shooted on .. And would get 100% HP right away being revived with Falk so in the heat of a battle being revived by Falk is better and being far from heavy combat being revived by angel is better ..

But Falk and Angel are both " Medic/support " so are both in the same branch and its fine to me .. Of course Angel can be considered better by some but Angel cannot heal himself with the Injector unless he trade his gadjet for a injector .. So yeah but you would argue on pure non sens ..

As for Who gets what gadjets .. Ive already asked Dice to improove this by making an Icon over peoples heads to show wich gadjets they are using ... But knowing who have amo crates or who have repair tool if you have played previous BF games and are honest you already know you could stand in front of a support screaming " I NEED AMO " to have them never give amo .. As for 2042 even if you know they have amo they might be on cool down or might not want to give you amo .. Thats the thing and the classes system never helped with that it only made it more frustrating ..

Thats said at least in BF2042 when you have health or Amo or whatever you can see who needs amo or who needs health so if you are a team players you will give them amo or health .. But it happen to me so many time already where i drop a health box on someones to help them and they run away from my health box and never take health from it lol So there is no garantee with you play with clueless blueberry .. It was true in past BF all of them and still is true in 2042 ..

The specialist system is AMASING for squads who are willing to play as a units , and if we had better platoon and squads structure and communication we could do amasing things with the specialist system ..

There is a lots of good teamplay combo .. like Locking on air vehicles combine with RAO hacking wich is insanely powerfull if used with the proper timing and communication .. Dozer can also be usefull to push elevator and corridor and his passive resistance to explosive help a lots .. Mckay and Sundance are amasing to flank Lanes campers .. Irish double walls can be used in many usefull manners . BOris turrets is great to spot or distract ennemys . and so on and on

As for loadout its way better the way it is .. MAG had a skilltrees system that can be compared to the " specialist " wich were active passive abilitys then the loadout was freeform just like BF now and the teamplay in MAG was a billions time better than it as ever been in ANY BF ever even BF2 wich was the best BF with the commander in terms of structure but was still chaotics .. WHY ?

Because MAG had a proper team structure .. An Officier in charge wich could broadcast to the entire team and not any Newbee could be OIC or platoon leader .. you had platoon leader who could speak to his 4 squads leaders but also broadcast to his entire platoon then you had squad leaders who could speak to others squad leaders and squad mates 8 players per squads 32 players platoon 128 players team .. 256 players match .. And we had engineers repairing bunkers , AA turrets , Arttilery battery , vehicles and so on . We had tons of medics . we had tons of demolitions who destroyed ennemy bunkers , we had everything that we needed without any rigid classes system because we could have 32 players lobby to get into 128 to 256 players games .. MAG also had proximity chat with team mates

BF need that at least 16 players lobby composed of 4 players squads ... so 16 players would be a " platoon " we need VOIP proximity chat with allies . We need Better squads and platoon and team structure its the only thing that would improove TEAM LEVEL team work ..not terrible classes system that made no sens like previous BF games ..

On a Squad level of friends the current 2042 system is better than any previous BF and allow more variety , more synergy in the squads , better mix and match of classes and gadjets and better controle on what the squads is meant to achieved .. there is no denial in that and none of your anecdotes would change that !
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WinterbornGuard
4 years ago

So read through most all this thread.  A few contributing and constructive thoughts.  Preface this with..

1. The class system of old needed to evolve in some way, lots of ways to do that without abandoning the core feature. 

2. Specialists are not it...  They were the wrong approach to take for said evolution.  And there current implimentation does in fact promote selfish play (coupled with zero local comms..)

What do we do now?  I dont believe EA will allow devs to completely abandon them but I dont think you have to.  You can both fix the situation and also have it be an evolution of what should be core to the game.  Very simply put a soft restriction on gadget slot.  So Casper for example is considered a recon specialist so his gadget slot would be restricted to recon gadgets only along with any specialist tagged as "recon".  Leave weapons and grenades class agnostic.  Last thing that would need to be done is a rebalancing of specialists as some are way too self sufficient.  So after these changes the game needs a proper command structure and comms.  Which to give an actual working design from another 100 player game, Hell Let Loose, in game comms are split into 3 channels: Squad, command, and an open proximity chat channel.  Need ammo?  Simply throw it out on the open prox chat and boom anyone near you with ammo could answer.  And then for 2042 command channel would just be for squad leaders to coordinate pushes with other squad leaders.  This works great with nothing but random players in Hell Let Loose and I dont understand at all why devs thought it was great to just not have it..

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    Stew360
    4 years ago
    @WinterbornGuard The specialist system is prefectly fine as a evolvement of the franchise classes . Specialist are basically classes in their own rights , they have active and passive ability that allow them to perform in certain way that can be predictable just by seeing them .. As for gadjets and weapons goes . I am glad that we have a Free form loadout setup and is way better to setup your Squad .. when you play with 3 friends you know very well what can be acomplish and how much better this is ..

    Now if we plan to defend D1 D2 in discarded We can have a Medic a support , a recon etc... all equipped with the right weapons for the situation and do not end up with players of our squads getting demolish or wanting to quit the mission just because " His class " is broken for this type of environement due to gadjet or weapons bias and arbitrary decision ..

    BF2 MC and BFBC1 and 2 gave the medic a LMG and because of this there was almost NO medics in those games 99% of the time ..

    Also if a squad decide to be a sniper squads they can all be snipers and have a Healer , a Support giving amo etc.. even if i find Snipers playstyle lame . Its still a option offered to those players . Otherwise they would have a medic totally out of range who cant do anything but revive and heal ...

    If you need a rushing squads with SMG you can have all SMG or CQC AR squad setup with a variety of roles and ability like Flankers like Tanker , and still have healers and amo ressuplys and so on ...

    The problem of BF right now is NO VOIP , No lobby of 16 4 squads of 4 .. No command chanels VOIP no Platoon llead or team lead VOIP broadcast .. No proper structure .. and this is why almost all BF games beside "organised scrim battles " Are chaotics and unorganised and the old classes system never helped with that 95% of the blueberrys only choose classes mainly on the main gun the classes had or for a single gadjet like lets say they use a 120mm tanks they wanted the engineer to repair and is the only reason they use that classes
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    WinterbornGuard
    4 years ago

    @Stew360Do agree that old classes weren't perfect. But just making the class setup "do whatever you want" is a lazy design choice that isn't better than the old class system... just different with its own equal amount of pros and con. What it is currently is Call of Duty not Battlefield so its not evolving anything but simply abandoning one system for another. Specialists in no way equate to a class with a single unique gadget and trait but is quite literally what CoD specialists are in standard multiplayer. What I suggest is an evolution at least in the sense that rigid classes have access to all guns and each class has specialist which would essentially be subclasses. With a pre-made squad, no matter the class setup, coordinating roles is never hard. Having classes is what helps guide solo players into being useful (or supposed to) to the team instead of playing selfishly. Someone said it earlier in this thread but a solo player left to their own volitions with always swing for whatever is "meta" for getting kills.. how to guide solo players into being team oriented with their choices is the actual problem that needs to be solved. 128 players with completely open loadouts lets say half are pre-made squads (which is generous imo) means 64 players are just yolo yeet train with their setup currently. How do you solve that problem in relation to specialist system vs rigid classes? It would be nice if devs would release specialist pick rates because we only have anecdotal observation to say pick rates would prob have McKay and sundance dominating with Angel in at second. Sundance and McKay are far and away the two most selfish picks you could make for team comp.

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