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But Falk and Angel are both " Medic/support " so are both in the same branch and its fine to me .. Of course Angel can be considered better by some but Angel cannot heal himself with the Injector unless he trade his gadjet for a injector .. So yeah but you would argue on pure non sens ..
As for Who gets what gadjets .. Ive already asked Dice to improove this by making an Icon over peoples heads to show wich gadjets they are using ... But knowing who have amo crates or who have repair tool if you have played previous BF games and are honest you already know you could stand in front of a support screaming " I NEED AMO " to have them never give amo .. As for 2042 even if you know they have amo they might be on cool down or might not want to give you amo .. Thats the thing and the classes system never helped with that it only made it more frustrating ..
Thats said at least in BF2042 when you have health or Amo or whatever you can see who needs amo or who needs health so if you are a team players you will give them amo or health .. But it happen to me so many time already where i drop a health box on someones to help them and they run away from my health box and never take health from it lol So there is no garantee with you play with clueless blueberry .. It was true in past BF all of them and still is true in 2042 ..
The specialist system is AMASING for squads who are willing to play as a units , and if we had better platoon and squads structure and communication we could do amasing things with the specialist system ..
There is a lots of good teamplay combo .. like Locking on air vehicles combine with RAO hacking wich is insanely powerfull if used with the proper timing and communication .. Dozer can also be usefull to push elevator and corridor and his passive resistance to explosive help a lots .. Mckay and Sundance are amasing to flank Lanes campers .. Irish double walls can be used in many usefull manners . BOris turrets is great to spot or distract ennemys . and so on and on
As for loadout its way better the way it is .. MAG had a skilltrees system that can be compared to the " specialist " wich were active passive abilitys then the loadout was freeform just like BF now and the teamplay in MAG was a billions time better than it as ever been in ANY BF ever even BF2 wich was the best BF with the commander in terms of structure but was still chaotics .. WHY ?
Because MAG had a proper team structure .. An Officier in charge wich could broadcast to the entire team and not any Newbee could be OIC or platoon leader .. you had platoon leader who could speak to his 4 squads leaders but also broadcast to his entire platoon then you had squad leaders who could speak to others squad leaders and squad mates 8 players per squads 32 players platoon 128 players team .. 256 players match .. And we had engineers repairing bunkers , AA turrets , Arttilery battery , vehicles and so on . We had tons of medics . we had tons of demolitions who destroyed ennemy bunkers , we had everything that we needed without any rigid classes system because we could have 32 players lobby to get into 128 to 256 players games .. MAG also had proximity chat with team mates
BF need that at least 16 players lobby composed of 4 players squads ... so 16 players would be a " platoon " we need VOIP proximity chat with allies . We need Better squads and platoon and team structure its the only thing that would improove TEAM LEVEL team work ..not terrible classes system that made no sens like previous BF games ..
On a Squad level of friends the current 2042 system is better than any previous BF and allow more variety , more synergy in the squads , better mix and match of classes and gadjets and better controle on what the squads is meant to achieved .. there is no denial in that and none of your anecdotes would change that !
@Stew360okay step by step again
1."Angel cannot heal team mates at range and angel give 20% amor on revives so the player will gets 70HP being revive with angel and 120 later on if not shooted on"
- yes you are correct but the healing from the med-bags is infact instantanious for the most part so technically he does give them 20% more HP that way. on a different note ever since BF4 med-bags were implemented which work identically to the Syrett pistol so basically Falk is in fact a direct copy of what the former assault/medic class was in other BF games. her "special ability is she is the most class-system based specialist 2042 has to offer.... hmhmhm seems telling....
2."Of course Angel can be considered better by some but Angel cannot heal himself with the Injector unless he trade his gadjet for a injector"
-he infact does not need to trade anything, just have a loadout crate ready and you can drop/supply yourself with whatever you need/want... if i remember correctly his cooldown is about 10-20s, that is his trade off to beign a self sufficent specialist.
3."As for Who gets what gadjets .. Ive already asked Dice to improove this by making an Icon over peoples heads to show wich gadjets they are using"
-oh if that is the case why are we having a discussion since oyu asked DICE to "fix" it
4."But knowing who have amo crates or who have repair tool if you have played previous BF games and are honest you already know you could stand in front of a support screaming " I NEED AMO " to have them never give amo"
-yes i do know the fact that less then able players would not play their role well in previous games, thats why Visceral games back in BFHardline implemented the System to take ammo/healt off the player carrying the respective boxes, DICE then copied them in BFV again, only in 2042 i can only really be sure Angel can and will provide Ammo because he has that as is trait. Again something they already fixed/improved in 2 different games with class-systems, only now i have to hope they do it actively again. so i guess back to square one on this....
5."Thats said at least in BF2042 when you have health or Amo or whatever you can see who needs amo or who needs health so if you are a team players you will give them amo or health"
-this does not help me if i am in need of supplies again.
6."The specialist system is AMASING for squads who are willing to play as a units , and if we had better platoon and squads structure and communication we could do amasing things with the specialist system"
-well could've should've might've are speculations for IF DICE even wants to improve upon the communication errors. While i do agree that a very organised squad can use the specialists synergies, i.E Hack a heli with Rao and then shoot with FMXAA, that was also possible for squads who wanted that with a class-system. Given we never had a class with a hacking gadget to my knowledge other then 2142-engineers, but that is again something a gadget slot would have fixed just as well as it is now.
7."Mckay and Sundance are amasing to flank Lanes campers .. Irish double walls can be used in many usefull manners . BOris turrets is great to spot or distract ennemys . and so on and on"
-yes Mckay and Sundance are better at that, but hear me out on this one, most players do not play in a squad/teamwork oriented manner. i for one always play with at least one friend on Team-Speak, but we know we are a minority group in BF, the vast majority of players does not care. So having cheap and lazy auot-turrets is a good thing? i prefer actual gameplay then placing down a mobile Wall-Hack gun and then "reap" what is left over by said auto-aiming turret. regarding Irish, i find his walls to be rather useless and in a different thread i leanred that apparently a lot of players do not even know about his secondary gadget, his "thropy-system" that supposedly blocks grenades and rockets ( but ofc the heli rockets are not affected by this because that would mean they could nto farm with impunity, but that is a different issue)
8."As for loadout its way better the way it is"
-freeing up loadout-selection made the game less enjoyable for me. in every BF game until BFV you could identify what is coming for you and what to expect from this engagement and then plan accordingly. now it is just a flustercluck. Again controlled chaos vs. pure chaos, there is a difference even if you do not want to think that way
9."MAG had a skilltrees system that can be compared to the " specialist " wich were active passive abilitys then the loadout was freeform just like BF now"
-2042 actually takes away most of your freedom with the gadget selection. in BF4 for example you could have an support with ammo and C4, making it an extremely potent obstecal clearer, in 2042 you have to play Angel to get that, given you can pick any weapon now, but that opens a whole new can of worms with weapons that are objectively better then the rest.(its called play the META or get played by the META)
10."Because MAG had a proper team structure"
-kind of a mute point because you are comparing apples and pears at this point, Hell Let Loose has a class -System and also has teamplay much more engrained then other games.
11."BF need that at least 16 players lobby composed of 4 players squads ... so 16 players would be a " platoon " we need VOIP proximity chat with allies . We need Better squads and platoon and team structure its the only thing that would improove TEAM LEVEL team work ..not terrible classes system that made no sens like previous BF games"
- i agree squad size should at the very least be increased to 6 if not 8. but then again 2042 does not really reward you for objective play. BF1 for example multiplied your Score if your entire squad would attack a marked objective, 2042 does not you get a fixed score.
12."On a Squad level of friends the current 2042 system is better than any previous BF and allow more variety , more synergy in the squads , better mix and match of classes and gadjets and better controle on what the squads is meant to achieved .. there is no denial in that and none of your anecdotes would change that !"
- how can i achieve synergy then in a squad of randoms.i can see their specialist, but i have to guess what they are currently having in their load-out. is the Sundace flying around using a beacon? or should i spawn on her and place one ? is that Rao using a M5 or a FXMAA? is Casper using C5 or an ammo/health box?.in BFV i could see at a glance what a squad might need, if there is no support in the suqad i can choose to play as such and resupply them, 3 medics in a squad? okay let me be assault and deal with the vehicles/fortifications. 4 recons in a squad? okay let me leave thsi squad rigt away since their combines mental capacity is equivalent to an ant....
Okay that last part might be a bit mean towards the ant but it do be late.....
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