Specialist and freeclass system is Better than the OLD Class system VIDEO inside

@DanielRicciardoNever heard ever of your 2 guy so i cant care less the game is well and will grow with each contents drop dont get your hate hopes to high mate this game have am healthy enough playerbase to be sustainable  Here you go mate just took a capture of steam number only right now EST 16H37 ... 2042 IS ALIVE AND WELL 

Pretty much every North american  and European players plays BF2042 over any BF i dont care about the Asian market . ill never play with them on 400 pings servers 

Gaming prime time of Europe and North american see BF2042 dominate others BF by a lot 4 to 6 times more concurent players on steam only  .. welcome to reality check 101 

@Stew360 Look at the 30 day gain and 30 day gain in % it already lost 59.92 % of its player base and 30K players in just 30 days that too only on steam, we don’t even know how many people quit the game on origin or the consoles. The player retention is absolutely horrendous because of how bad the launch was with bugs and the obviously bad gameplay design choices. 

@Stew360 Wow, so you think 30 day gain or loss is irrelevant, how ignorant can you be. The most important thing that a game should do is keeping you hooked onto it, i.e player retention, and that is exactly what BF2042 is not doing. The game is so bad it’s turning off people who are playing battlefield for the first time and also the people who have been playing battlefield for the last 2 decades(except you ofcourse). Why do you keep on mentioning the Asian market? I can assure you those guys don’t even get into matches anymore because you can’t change your region and there is no server browser. You are so selfish that you keep on talking about your region only but what about the people in Oceania and South America or even Middle east, even those guys want to play and try out a new battlefield but can’t do it because the game sucks a** and the playerbase is back to playing the older battlefields. Now it has always been the case that Europe is the most populated region even at the end of a battlefield game and I will tell the truth that even I change servers to Europe but that does not mean other players shouldn’t find matches in their own region when the game literally launched 1.5 months ago. Not everyone prefers to play on more than 100 ping, personally it doesn’t matter to me because I am always playing on Europe servers but I can’t do that in this game because there’s no server browser and this is one of the main reasons I quit the game.

@Stew360It's because 2042 got heavily promoted on steam and still, new game. I just don't remember bfv promotion at all on Steam. Maybe I'm wrong.

Can't really tell what future brings, but atm 2042 is digging pretty great gravehole.

Edit: Ahh forgot, V has mostly positive comments. 

@Man_iLoveFishingLol i have not seen any big promotions of " steam " all key selling sites etc.. were sellin origin only keys . Most Adds EA paid were for xbox or Origin/Eadesktop ..So yeah

And still how can you even remotly calling 2042 a " dead game " when it has millions of individual players playing it daily? Having over 10 to 20k concurent players at every hours of a 24hours is pretty good actually even if steam was the only platform it wich it is not .. Also the review bombing that happen on steam is undeserved the game aint perfect but it aint a bad game at it its a good high 7 low 8 game out of 10 at least ...

So acting as if 2042 is a catastrophe is totally innacurate .. insurgency sandstorm , planetside2 etc.. are still very alive games yet dont gets mire than 3k peaks on steam ..

There is at least millions players playing 2042 on a daily basis so the game is a success BFV is in its " best state " ever yet gets 8 hours straight of low 3 to 4 k players on steam and high 20k for few hours at 18:00 Seoul time wich mean the high peak come from asia prime time . While 2042 high peak is between EST and PST prime time and always remain in the 9 to 11k + throughout the entire 24 hours cycle

Here an exemple of right now BFV is 4k -While 2042 is stable at 13k + so regardless of an hour peak the 2042 concurent players base is overall much higher in hour to hour throughout the 24 hours cycle wich mean way more individuals players plays BF2042 on a daily basis   

So all things considered the review bombing attempt to make the game fail the hate campaign and all the game still doing pretty well for the simple fact that at its core its a pretty solid game 

@Stew360What a waste of text.

1. New game
2. Never called dead, but it's not going in good death direction. Declining, matter of time.
3. You need to chill with paperwork. 😅

@CantGetRightExactly, it's hard to reason when people are intentionally blind.

Game has mostly of negative reviews, youtubers give negative feedback. Reddit? Seen what's happening over there? Steam including. Doesn't matter if revievews are right or wrong but negativity is spread across social which impacts player count. For the sake of future, ur millions will be falling in fast phase because poor income and great DECLINING, it doesn't happen in day or month, but it's happening in great "velocity".

@CantGetRightIts old but we cant let them control the narative and pretend they are a majority they are not .

All i care about is that truth and logic prevail . I can understand some poeoples have emotional attachements to some gameplay they got hook up on .. For some its BF2 others BF2142 others BFBC2 others BF3 9r 4 even V . But the reality remain that the current system offer more teamplay option in a more balanced states with better scale and more enjoyable combine arms gameplay ..

But still BF as slways and still lack of teamplay since 1942 randoms servers orgit worst since bad company focus on 12 vs 12 squads of 4 gameplay wich was designed for small group of friends jumping in a game they could dominate in .. But this focus on 4 man squads didnt work well in BF3 64 players and its even worst in 128 players match the game need structure platoon of 16 that can start a matchmaking to play with and against larger organized groups just like MAG on ps3 with VOIP proximity to chat with anyones close by with push to talk . A command chanel for platoon lead . Frago objectives and passive bonus when following objectives or close to a squad leader see my OP about it there .

https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Command-structure-16-players-lobby-4-squads-of-4-For-12...

@Man_iLoveFishingYeah we talk about negative reviews by hundreads with copy and paste BF 42 fps ? complaining about performance on 10 years old i5 cpus ? Or the dozens Ks of 0.1 hours 0.5 hours playtime reviews ? Or those complaining that the base game isnt a copycat of X battlefield they see as the gold standards ?

10 minutes after they game was out nov 19 00:00 pst the game got 30k negative reviews lol instantly as if ut was not a review bomb with most account reviewing had 0.1 to 1 hours .. of vourse they gave the game a fair shot right ?


Not all reviews are made equal . Objective reviews are worth considering while subjective reviews for me are not worthy of attention they are only " entertainment " nothing more ..

The more objective reviews are called " sellout " by those hating on the game while praising the reviews who bash on the game ... I am no fanboy of anything but i sure like large scale shooter , mmo shooters and combine arms gameplay and BF 2042 is an exellant base for expanding on a great combine arms game .. I just hope DICE will stick yo their vision improoving it and not trying to scrap the game and ruin it all for a vocal minority who hate on everything in the game and make themselves appear bigger than they actually are

They even used free trial on steam to leave negative reviews after 0.1 to 0.8 hours played .. 

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@Flavin913 wrote:
@Stew360It is a really nice feature on steam to give time played on a review, total time and time when posted, very nice actually.
Anyways

You yourself say 2042 is a good "base" and that's the problem for most I think. We didn't want a base game and a great game in a year from now.

Ps. Massively dislike the specialist

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2042 fps is anything but a good "base". Thats the problem here. End of BFV was a good "base", so was BF4, BF3 oder BF1. But this "base" over here sucks hard.

@Stew360 Everyone would’ve backed DICE if they took this game in the direction everyone wanted regardless of how bad the game was at launch or how bad the base game was. With BF3/4, the launch was not good at all but atleast the players knew that the game was going in a good direction. The devs back then knew what the players wanted and they gave it to them. Can’t say this with the today’s DICE. These guys don’t know what they are doing. They call the server browser and scoreboard as legacy features. Battlefield doesn’t need 128 player lobbies or specialists. A class system like BF4 would be better if they added a main gun type for each class and then carbines, shotguns and dmrs would be universal for every class. 

@Stew360stop giving me NASA maths. Problem is, when negativity is in atmosphere, no one gives damn about numbers, who, how long and when and why? There is a problem when hate is bigger than love.

@DanielRicciardo
knowing what " everyones wanted " ?

No ones wanted the same things .. Some peoples regards BF2 as a gold standard others BFBC2 others 2142 others BF3 or 4 and some even see BFV as the gold standards ... Everyones have different " vision " of how BF should be ..

And i for one only want the franchise to improove to change and to get better and in my opinion its getting better in many aspect . The only aspect bothering me the most are Specialist Corny lines at the end and start of matches and the absences of Stats where i can see my Ratio , points , accuracy etc..etc..etc..

Also the lack of commands structure and bigger matchmaking lobby where you could be more than 4 or 5 as always been absent of BF games and is the problem why ALL BF games have suffer from poor teamplay and squad individualisme . Since matchmaking in BFBC 1 Dice have shifted to " squad centric " mentality where squad only work with themselves and have no way to communicate properly with others squads they have no way to play with more than 3 friends and so on ..

The older classes system was a terrible design . And MAG on playstation is the liiving proofs of a BF like game without classes that can be custumized by the players and have amasing teamplay and teamwork .. But MAG on the contrary to Post BF2 games had command chat , OIC broadcast , Proximity VOIP and so on and on !

Also Scoreboards are not totally remooved you see " Squad scoreboards " BUt personal scoreboards were mostly remooved for ideological purpose because of the PC culture and inclusion .. They didnt want players to Ttalk others players because of their poor performances etc.. its most likely the reason why ..

Also its not because a EA rep called them " Legacy features " that everyones at DICE are caling it that .. ALso its not because few X and Y devs have quit DICE that everyones who ever worked on a BF games have all quit .. 

@Stew360 I have a picture from Battlefield V Open Beta statistic, shared by DICE themselves. But I believe it is still picturing the general statistics on full game

In this picture, there is Most Popular Class Deployed as you can already guess, Assault is the most popular class lol, why? Because it has Assault Rifle, Semi Auto Rifle and it also anti vehicle gadgets.

Just look at class usage for Support and Medic class, its very low compared to Assault class, is this teamwork?

The class system is terrible, in reality people only use what weapon and gadgets they like, there is no such things as "limiting loadout so forcing people for squadplay". If Assault rifles locked to only Assault class then they will use that everytime, they wont change class because "teamwork" lol

That is why DICE changed it in 2042

@Zoikon  I am reading the stats right, Assault class is as many as Medic+Support combined, 2 class which primary roles are supporting teammates with health and revive and replenish ammo

My arguments still stands, people will always use whatever weapons and gadgets they like, there is no such things as teamwork when you play with random, its's different story if you play with friends, you will communicate and always attack or defend objectives together but that is not because Class system or Specialist system. I still do squadplay in 2042 IF I play with friends that know how to play. Limiting players is not the answer to better teamwork, it will never work with random

Feel free if you have any data to prove otherwise

@Stew360 To put it simply people come to Battlefield games to play Battlefield not MAG or planetside 2 or any other game.