Specialist and freeclass system is Better than the OLD Class system VIDEO inside

4 years ago

@X-Sunslayer-X
I do not ignore anything i chalenge the embeded beleifs that classes somehow " promote " teamplay to any extend when it does not . Also all past BF have the system classes wrong and even games who does it right still pose a chalenge when playing with randoms players let me give exemple ..

Insurgency either the mod the game or Sandstorm the sequel have what we can call " classes " with certain custumization options in each . Wich prevent to have to much snipers or to much x and y . But when playing Insurgency if you get bad players at playing either snipers or whatever classes the system become very frustrating as they are not doing their " jobs " properly while you or your friend could have . Thats said at least you didnt end up with 30 recon crouching in bushes like BFBC2 use to have in Linear Rush maps ..

BF classes system as always been flaw and never brought anything positive to the game in itself .. Games like MAG are great exemple .. You did not had fixed classes but you had a Skillstree type of thing where players could set up passive ability with skills points that could lean toward X and Y pplaystyle .. Players choose what they were the most capable at and ran with it .. the least kill heavy players were choosing more like Engineer type of bonus and so on while Assault guys with High KD choose combat specifics stuff like reload speed increase etc..etc...

Yet In MAG you needed Engineers , Medics , Demolitions to destroy bunkers turrets , and so on and there was no issues having every type of players you need to repair , destroy , push , revive etc.. And the team work was off the charts compare to Any BF i played with randoms .. Because MAG had a great VOIP proximity also great command structure with squad leaders , platoon leaders and OIC who communicated , broadcast and organised ..

The problem with all BF as always been the same since playing with randoms .. DICE since bad company 1 has shifted to a squad focus design around 4 squad mates It was okish in BAd company since it was a 12 vs 12 game where 4 man was 1/3 of the team .. But this design show its flaws when it get to 64 players and now 128 makes it even worst ..

We need Bigger lobbys , Clan supports , VOIP , Command structure , Proximity VOIP with allies at least and even ennemy if possible .

This is where the game is lacking ...

As for your exemple of " selfish players " What was the difference between the Angel you descriibed and the " Assault class " from Bad company 1 ? He had a grenade launcher on all weapons capable of destroying walls and opening stuff and damage vehicles and kill players , He had a Medpen capable of healing himself and so on .. But sometime what you call " selfish players " as long as they play along the objective and rak ups lots of kills are more usefull than a so call " team players " who sit behind and does nothing ..

As for weapons , All BF have been different , in BF2MC medic had a medpen type of thing , Mortars calls , and a LMG , the BF2 PC was different and so was BF3 or 4 Medics wich became a variant of the assault sub class ..

The plain reality is there is NO benefits to the old classes system .. Zero benefits .. forcing players into X and Y weapons or gadjet link togueter make no real sens and does not had any benefits to the gameplay or teamplay .. Now at least Some snipers can be Medics and be usefull instead of having x and y gadjet they wont use same goes for any classes ..
Also it remoove the corny ability to swap classes just by swaping guns on the ground wich was to me more of an exploits than it was a feature

Stew360
4 years ago
@fragnsteinOh really ? Well last time i check ive played thousands of hours in BF games From 1942 and thousands of hours in BF2 and BF2 MC as well as almost 800 hours in BFBC , Thousands of hours on BFBC2 on PC and Ps3 and X360 yep i had it on all 3 platform but the X360 version was terrible .. Then BF3 BF4 i hate world war games now so i barely played BF1 and BFV and didnt like it .. its to old and boring ! My favorte BF game is 2142 because the titan Mode was incredible attacking the titan was amasing .. Also i have over 3500 Hours + in planetside 2 and 1000+ hours in planetside 1 so yep And so far 400 hours of BF2042 so i think i have a pretty good grasp of every aspect of it .. Air Ground and Vehicles , 120mm tanks , etc.. I am a combine arms game guy so i know my stuff
Also last time i check i was playing BF3 10 years ago lol and BF4 was unplayable for a year after launch it became somewhat playable in august of the next year lol
And i had all the DLC for every games
Also the main reason we abandonned BF in favor of planetside 2 it was become BF never offered bigger than 4 to 5 squad members and we had a community that was able to put 20 to 30 guys at the same time ... So we got frustrated and anoyed that the match kept switching us from side to side while in the same party .. the game did not allowed us to play togheter and so much more issues with finding match we got bored of it .. So we got into planetside wich always had sufficient room for us to play as a team as a clan
JayB_2103
Seasoned Hotshot
4 years ago
@Stew360 I think what @fragnstein is trying to say is that you haven’t played the newest games for thousands of hours. You don’t like world war games that’s understandable but then you have no clue how good BF1 was and although BFV is never going to be as good as BF1/3/4, it’s still a solid game now. I don’t blame you for not playing the latest BF games which were World wars but then saying I played more than 1000 hours of BFBC,BC2,2142,2,1942 is irrelevant because they are the oldest games in the franchise and a lot of stuff has changed since then. BFBC2 being more than 12 years old at this point. So the last time you played a Battlefield game properly was probably like 8-9 years ago. Although you can express your opinion on this forum I don’t know how right it is for you to defend 2042 when the last battlefield you played was in 2013. I’m with @fragnstein on this one.
Zoikon
4 years ago
@Stew360 just got to ask, did you play those BF's on pc or console?
In the good old days we rented a server and drove it as a clan server. Then we could easily fit 30 guys for practice. You can't be sad that 30 guys can't fit in a public server.
Persistent server could also let your gang slowly join a full public server.
I don't get your reasoning.
Seems like you haven't gotten the full experience in BF, people did more teamwork than in 2042. Ask any of us.
If players played bad one round, they had to change strategy (e.g. not camp) the next round, only possible with persistent server though.
SirBobdk
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Zoikon
In the good old days we rented a server and drove it as a clan server
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Agree, we had a community and clans. Played on the same rental servers with many of the same players. BF has over time become a game with anonymous players on anonymous servers.
Stew360
4 years ago
@DanielRicciardo
I played enough . I played BF1 Beta for about 30+ hours then the released game for about 8 hours lol .. I played BFV for about 30+ hours also BETA and release .. Even played recently

The only things i liked about BFV was crouch sprint moove , the Slide wich is a bit better than BF2042 wich was similar to BFV in the beta yet DICE " listen " to the so call community and nerf it heavily .. Same goes for what they did to the weapons it was this so call " community feedback " who made them make these totally broken innacurate weapons at launch ... The problem is there is no homogenous BF community .. Everyones are asking totally vastly different things and have worlld appart vision so DICE simply cannot listen " to the so call community " because no matter what they do they will be reprimended for it by a portion of this so call community ..

I played BF4 barely few months ago .. i played BFV few months ago as well lol and i played more combine arms games like Delta force black hawk down , Operation falshpoint , BF2 project reality mod , BF2 , Planetside 1 , Planetside 2 , Frontline fuel war , Original battlefront , and so on and on than most peoples could ever dream off lol

Thats said its not about me here .. i played so far over 400 hours of BF2042 .. I have mastery 40+ to 70+ with 4 specialist .. Mastery 40+ on more than 10 weapons and 5 vehicles Night bird etc.. I play Air , ground and infantry all very well so was i in past games .. And so was i in Planetside 2 wich was heavily inspired by battlefield in terms of gameplay gunplay vehicles control etc.. And we left BF3/4 because of one main issue , it was almost impossible to play as a clan and it was a pain to be in a squad and remain into that squad and this problem still exist today in BF2042 ...

Here me playing BF4 in june 2021

Here is me playing BFV Recently as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sjbg2r526I
JayB_2103
Seasoned Hotshot
4 years ago
@Zoikon I’m glad you mentioned this I forgot to write it in my reply that I used to play with a group of 15 players on playstation after BF1 was released. We all used to get into the same server regardless of there being 15 players with the help of the platoon system and the server browser. Sure it would take atleast 5 mins for everyone to get into the game but we did play together on the same team for hours. We had like 3 different squads of 5 on the same team. And I have seen other platoons do the same thing on other battlefield’s too. So @Stew360 point about 20-30 people not able to join the same server is not valid.
Stew360
4 years ago
@Zoikon
I have played " scrim " on private servers but these momments were scarse and rare and was complicated and time consuming to pull off ..

While games like MAG or planetside wich had proper matchmaking/ Platoon forming system where in MAG we could fill a Lobby of 4 squads of 8 up to 32 players and start a matchmaking just like starting a regular matchmaking in any games like Halo BF or COD or whatever games that have matchmaking .. It made things easy hassle free and fun ..

Planetside 2 has a faction system where no matter what your clanmates are in the same faction as you .. So we could be up to 48 players in a platoon with squads of 12 .. So there was no issues at all for us to play toghueter ..

Our experience in BF games with players own servers have been as follow .. Being banned for being to good , Being banned or kick for taking the vehicles the admin or his friends wanted . Being switched from one side to the other for being good , Being auto balanced and our squad of 4 /5 were splitted .. And so on and on ..

I already mentioned we did some Scrim in private servers against other clans but these match were laborious and time consuming just to set up the team , gets everyones in and ready ..

In planetside 2 peoples can jump in and out at any momments

In MAG peoples could join at least up to 32 players to start a matchmaking so it was more than enough and BF need something like this and fast

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