@Stew360Restrictions breed creativity. That's why they worked so well for 20 years. Other games in the series had variations on loadouts but the basic structure remained the same.
If you give people the freedom to pick whatever they want, they all gravitate to the same 'meta'. This isn't even exclusive to Battlefield (or FPS games in general). World of Warcraft had this exact issue, which prompted a complete overhaul of the talent system to discourage 'cookie cutter' builds.
Picking a class for your favourite weapon also meant that you had to perform the intrinsic duties of that class. I didn't pick engineer in BF4 for the repair tool but I'd use it when the need from teammates arised.
I also think you might be romanticizing squad based play. Pickup squads rarely coordinated that well. But at least with classes people would naturally fall in to their chosen role within a squad/team.
Nope it does not , it limits what peoples can do and peoples are copy and pasting others and just like what ive seen from past BF peoples playing the same map 24/7 with the same classes 24/7 with the same " meta weapon " 24/7 was the result of classes restriction and decades of copy pasting mechanics ..
The specialist system does not address this issue. There are still copy+paste variations running around because it's easier to copy the meta now. Most of the replies in this thread attest to seeing all kinds of weapons amoung classes and I'd happily add my voice to that. Have been playing BFV for multiple says now and I'm seeing a lot of variation in the guns being used per class. It's rare that I'm killed by the TYPE 100 by multiple medics in a single game. This pattern applies to every BF game I've ever played going back to BF1942. There was rarely (and I only say rarely because I personally can't recall) a period where engineers only ran one primary weapon. You don't even see that consistency with snipers. You'd need someo hard numbers to prove otherwise, or its your own anecdotal experience vs everyone elses in this thread (who largely don't agree with you).
Now Team composition can be way more varied , squads can setup way better teamplay and squad synergy .. As if Freedom does not bring creativity ...
Again, you're romanticizing the squad system. Most don't do this. People aren't even using VOIP. Outside of clans, squads are not sitting down in the lobby to organise loadouts. This wasn't a problem in any previous title either. I don't consult with my squad before picking recon. I just want to use the Lee Enfield today. But having set classes means that I'll at least spot enemies, lay down spawn points, flare, etc because not doing so would be detrimental for me, and by extension the squad and team.
And no there was no requirement to furfill the classes roles ... How many time have i sit in front of a Medic or a engineer or a support in past BF games Screaming with comorose I need Amo , I Need repair and never get it even getting in the way of their scope and still they didnt care ?
How many time medic players aka assault were sitting on my dead corpse and didnt revived me ?
This problem hasn't gone away. It's a player mentality/awareness issue, not a mechanics issue. I have rounds in every game across every genre where I experience good and bad team mates. BF2042, even during the beta, was no exception. Many Falcks will still run past my bleeding body without a second glance to tunnel a kill. BFV's solution to this was to allow players to take ammo/med packs off of friendly players. Best system so far.
The specialist system does not address this directly or indirectly. It's just as easy to pick medic as it is to pick a medpack gadget. Doesn't mean they'll use it to help teammates. You'd need hard stats to prove that per gadget, people are healing more.
Incidentally, the most consistent high quality team work rounds I've had were in BF4. At least when it came to healing/resuppy/repairing.
This thread, wow!!
Specialists system is better, think about situation like this
I like using Assault Rifle and LMG but I also like reviving teammates so we can keep going pushing the objectives while also can equip M5 Recoilles if there's some naughty Bolte need to get rid of. How do I do that in class systems? The game force me that I have to choose if I like using Assault Rifle so then I cannot revive teammates or when I try to grind for LMG Tier 1 I have to stop reviving teammates
Restricting players is not the answer for better teamwork instead they will choose the best weapon for them to kill enemies. You know there are some people that used Engineer in Op. Locker map lol, why? Because they like using PDW and their gadgets are useless in infantry only map
Let the players choose whatever weapons they like combined with no restrictions so they can bring useful gadgets while being effective as a team because they can kill enemies with weapons they are good using at
Do you guys never think like that?
@Botax_OkkyI admit I thought it sounded good on paper to, but in practice in a Battlefield game?
It does not work, it´s just chaos, sure previous games where also chaos, but it whas controlled chaos. The idea of specialists would fit better in a smaller scale spin-off Battlefield game.
You cannot judge chaos because of Specialist, there are still no voice chat in the game, maybe that is why there's chaos that you speak of @Blackidus
@Blackidusyou can't be one man army in this game, you can't bring anti vehicle gadget and anti infantry gadgets at the same time, you must choose one or the other
@Blackidusso? enemy helos or boltes wont wait for you to change loadout to deal with them
When you equip Stinger you can be hunted by Bolte or enemy infantry
When you equip M5 Recoilles you can be hunted by Nightbird or enemy infantry
When you bring Armor plate you can be killed by any vehicles
@BlackidusChaos is there because squads cant organize or communicate no command structure like planetside or MAG no proximity VOIP and worst of all No more than 4 players lobby and no clan supports ..
Add clans , Add voip proximity and command chanel , Add command structure platoon of 4 squads 16 players and platoon leader broadcast VOIP , And the issue you mentioned will be resolved .
ADD 16 players / clans lobby to start matchmaking search for 128 players matches
As for one man army its untrue .. if i chase you with my night bird i wont give you the time to change your loadout .. If you equipped c5 ... If i am in a tank and you choosed a stinger you wont be able to ask me " can you please wait ill call down angel loafout box to get c5 or m5 recoiless " ? hell no youd be a death player walking in front of a 120mm canon and so on .. So yeah
@Stew360As said in my previous post sure if you spot me first, but not if i spot you first i got time to switch loadout and plan my attack. If i´m allready being chased by any vehicle and it clearly knows where i´m at, me having the correct loadout would not help either.
And how come I get so much more teamwork in previous BF games when 99% of the time I play in squads that dont use VOIP? It´s because the lack of VOIP is not the major issue when it comes to the lack of teamwork.
It´s because players has no more need to stick around with their squad.
ASAP to save game: remove apecialists, add classic scoreboard, add platoons, add old classes, redesign maps for small infantry, remove automatic vehicle recovery and add recovery points, add platoons, add voip, add server browser, add classic squads like in BF 1 (5 or maybe 6 squad members) ...
@Man_iLoveFishing okay then lets say you bring medipen as a gadgets and you try to push for your own, what will you do when you are being hunted by Nightbird or Bolte?
You know there is no infantry only map in 2042 right? There are a lof of vehicles slot on every maps
@Botax_OkkyI hide.
Edit: Eyes open and look around. If zone is hot, vehicles are expected. If you hide and wait out till it leaves or move to another object.
i also feel like the ace 52 is as good as the aek and i use it all the time in locker with good results
not as angel i do it it all the time call in any loadout i want
what if you already have one i always call one in first thing before i move into a position
@Man_iLoveFishing then you already know you can't be one man army in this game, just like every past battlefield titles, you still need teamwork from your squadmates
Well I hide too if I bring Stinger and I meet Bolte on the way to the objective, and I hide from Nightbird too if I bring M5
So what are we even arguing?
