Steam Offering Refunds
So it appears that Steam have decided to offer refunds for 2042 owners who have passed the 2 hour playtime cutoff, so now's your chance to recoup your cash from this blackhole. It's going to be i...
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@RipGroove99 Damn, Last game i heard them doing this to was No Mans Sky and look at how badly that game flopped, All the hype just like BF, and now its rarely even mentioned, If BF dont get their grip then this might be following in the same path as No Mans Sky
This begs the question “ does steam know something we don’t”
- @emerson1975 They probably realize that it doesn't make sense to make a quick buck but lose customers in the long run. It makes more sense to look after your customers so they continue being customers into the future.
The guy has spent almost 2 hours in-game menus to fix his controller. He presented screenshots and other evidence. He did not even manage to get to multiplayer to get his 2 hours! It`s not bold Steam`s strategy. This is not even a pro-consumer move I would say, it`s common sense. The game is kind of broken, unfinished, with overhauls that may not suit the old fanbase. I have no idea how somebody might be shortsighted or even be able to suggest that the game is fully functioning. If the devs put a cap on XP (because the XP farms they overlooked) and there are no weapon gadget unlocks also. Tell me how is this even a full ready-to-ship release? I`m on the side of the "customer" if really the problem was on the side of the game, not a controller.
It does seem like an isolated incident unfortunately rather than a blanket offer from Steam for everyone to get a refund.
- @Twordy Also can i add, They didn't overlook XP Farms, they knew that people would make XP Farms soon as Portal was mentioned they apparently had plans in place to ruin a XP Farm server, But they didn't have any restrictions whatsoever and instead just disabled mostly all XP & Progression for both SOLO & CO-OP & Portal despite Solo & CO-OP only being able to edit the ai difficulty and maps, and not edit the actual health/damage of a bot - And the PVE Community is still being punished for DICE screwing up and allowing people to make farming servers
- @Johnathan123YT I don`t even understand why does the killing of a bot should automatically mean XP in a multiplayer game. Why there are bots on the server in the first place? I feel such disappointment after killing 4 bots in a row... it just screws me over. I don`t mind around 10% of bots at the beginning of the round but 80% of the lobby when the match starts? I`m not making this up.
- @Twordy I get why they added it, they added it just incase players played outside of peak hours and itd still have servers running instead of just having empty servers
As for the XP per Bot kills, We gotta keep in mind that although BF was a primarily Multiplayer game, There is still a PVE Community who enjoy BF for its Campaign and CO-OP Experience *Im on both sides i love PVE and PVP and i loved Campaign* they are still here in the community so just throwing them to the side is just not right, Thats like say for example you were a massive fan of COD, You played it only for the zombies, and in a COD game they entirely got rid of the zombies/did what vanguard did, and whenever you want to discuss it they just throw you to the side and ignore you *Thats how the PVE Community is currently feeling after having two threads on the main discussions tab and reaching over 2000 comments, hundreds of people wanting progression reactivated and still being ignored*
Im fine with the Kills for bots giving XP, Hell half of the community for PVE would be fine if it gave less aslong as full progression was enabled
The only thing they should do is have a system in place which checks to see if the bots were modified by their health or weapon or damage, if any of these settings were changed then Bot kill xp would be disabled *Keep in mind they said they had a system in place to stop xp farms*
As for Bots, its really needed tbf with this current playerbase I had 64 bots in a PS5 Lobby due to everyone leaving and abandoning this game @Johnathan123YT Agreed those playing Solo/Co-op should not be punished. Full XP and full progression.
@Johnathan123YT Look, there might be a progression enabled but separate from ONLINE achievements. In CO-OP players might have all weapons, gadgets, even specialists unlocked to test everything out. Devs might also create a separate progression system in SOLO/CO-OP so players have some incentive to test out SOLO/CO-OP for additional achievements. Also, any bot killed online could be counted as SOLO progression level.
I'm partially in some sense a competitive player, I used to play against/on guys who actually won prizes in ESL tournaments. I even modified the server that used to be nr 1 according to the game tracker in 2012 (BF2). I`m not boasting about anything, I believe there is some experience that might be presented. Not having a "legacy scoreboard" or some level of Infantry-focused maps or areas at the map is just wrong at least in my biased opinion. Beating online bots is good for the young generation or newcomers learning the game mechanics (if there are any mechanics left except for holding a fire button and forward key). I only wish for the game to stay as M for Mature, not Manipulieren. Even BF2 has maps huge and pretty desert-like in expansions, but in new BF most of the maps feel almost like EL-Alamein (hardware limitations perhaps). Maps were also scaled down in order to make more interesting gameplay in previous BFs and even devs mentioned that many times.
Without at least a server browser in multiplayer, players will have to predominantly play on bots at certain hours, eg early in the morning.
Dedicated servers, anything that would resemble solutions from BF4 would instantly fix a tremendous number of the recent game design.
I`m not surprised that people are leaving. I wanted so hard to play, most of my mates played max 3 hours and came to a simple conclusion - wait for updates or another BF that has "paper, stone, scissors" mechanic with classes and maps built in a similar manner as in previous BFs.
- @Twordy Thing is though, By forcing players to play online *which is whats happening for players to achieve tier one, and playercards and also complete the weekly challenges, Its pushing the PVE Community away, Everyone paid the same price for the game so they are entitled to the same progression as people who play multiplayer, Hell we even said we'd be fine if the kills were tripled or doubled so that it'd take longer to unlock the tier one assets
As for bots in onlines not giving XP, That will just infuriate people when half the server is literally bots *Ive counted each bot in a game before and it was literally 32 on my team and 30 on the other, The problem with disabling progression & xp for online bot kills would cause people to complain that their ranking up/progression is taking longer due to the amount of players that have left and now have numerous squads of bots in the servers
As for the "Legacy Features* im with you, the fact that a Shooter game launched with no scoreboard is a absolute joke, aswell as ingame voice chat, and the fact that all of the maps are basically just vehicle heaven besides Manifest which is the best you'll probably get for infantry fighting
But as im saying, With this battlefield the PVE Community is getting shafted with the campaign not being added and progression not being fully unlockable, We've all agreed that we would be fine with half the XP for playing Solo & CO-OP, and are completely fine with the progression challenges being tripled *So for example instead of like 2400 kills it'd be 7200 ect ect*
But yeah as for maps, I added that into my suggestions thread on reddit that either Portal maps should be added to AOW, or maps should be remastered or new infantry focused maps be implemented
As for server browsers, I agree too, it would be useful, but one thing i hated about BF4 was the playerbought servers where they had rules, Like dude cmon... getting banned for using a goddamn Tank...
As for playing with friends im in a similar boat, I've not played with my friend since he went to PC(I Have one myself but needs upgrades) and this was the first time we played together in like 2/3 years, and after that, it only took him 2 hours to uninstall the game due to BF not being BF I'm glad they are doing it for people who aren't happy. I am happy so I won't return it but the people who aren't.... I am glad steam is doing this for you.
