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Nussepus's avatar
Nussepus
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago

Stop backfilling rounds with AI as they cost teams lots of ticket bleed

While I do understand the logic behind it, adding AI is actually a penalty for the team. They are not helping at all and all they do is feed the other team causing the team who get them to lose lots ...
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UP_Hawxxeye's avatar
UP_Hawxxeye
Legend
2 years ago

@3DiE9djua2
Both teams have them, so it cancels out.
I believe that it is also fair to also compare the revives the bots do compared to most players

I would also argue that the disadvantage of being outnumbered is much greater than having bots in the team

  • Nussepus's avatar
    Nussepus
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago
    @UP_Hawxxeye wrote:

    @3DiE9djua2
    Both teams have them, so it cancels out.
    I believe that it is also fair to also compare the revives the bots do compared to most players

    I would also argue that the disadvantage of being outnumbered is much greater than having bots in the team

    I disagree considering that both teams dont always have them nor do they have the same amount of them. Both teams also dont get them at the same time as its up to when human players leave for whatever reason. Your arguement that it cancels out assumes that bots enter both teams at the same time with the same number. If it doesnt it never will cancel out as the team getting bots first will be at a disadvantage. And bots amount of revives is seriously low. For each revive a bot makes (if they do revive) they die 10-20 times themselves. I'd rather have those 10-20 tickets back than 1 bot revive.

    Having bots that do nothing but die and cost tickets is not better than being outnumbered simply because being outnumbered means you dont lose tickets to feeding.

    Sure its harder to take and maintain objectives when being outnumbered but bots doesnt solve that as they rarely take or hold any objectives. 

    I'd advice you to pay more attention to the bots the next 10 games you play and then you will see that they are a huge disadvantage for the teams. Its also more obvious in 64p. 🙂

    • Hudson1531's avatar
      Hudson1531
      Seasoned Ace
      2 years ago
      @3DiE9djua2 I will agree

      I have seen sides heavily weighted with AI and the refill when humans jump into the game doesn't appear to be an even replacement.

      The issue is its so easy to Farm when AI make up the majority of players because sometimes they play like sheep and just stick together creating huge multikills.
    • UP_Hawxxeye's avatar
      UP_Hawxxeye
      Legend
      2 years ago

      @3DiE9djua2
      I will not argue against that the bots much more easily farmable than players.
      But I will still put more responsibility for the loss to the ones who possessed a human brain and yet chose to put 90% of it to sleep.

      I have never been at a match with an A.I. majority on either team for longer than like a minute.

      If you know how to end up in a lobby with mostly A.I on the official non-portal servers, please let me know... for science.

      • Karen0202's avatar
        Karen0202
        Seasoned Ace
        2 years ago

        I would much rather be actually playing in a match with bots rather than waiting 10 minutes for a lobby to fill up with "real" players. I'll gladly trade the tickets if it means I'm playing. And I find that 90% of the time the bots are gone within 5 minutes, so I'll keep them, thanks

  • X-Sunslayer-X's avatar
    X-Sunslayer-X
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago
    @UP_Hawxxeye at times i wished to have AI instead of certain "BF Players" I will refrain for detailing their playstyles since it might cause certain players to feel attacked.... but I guess we all know what types of players I am talking about
    • UP_Hawxxeye's avatar
      UP_Hawxxeye
      Legend
      2 years ago
      @X-Sunslayer-X
      This is exactly what I feel each time a medic ignores my body (when it is safe). Meanwhile the bot will try to save me if it is not engaging enemies.

      Or how much the players ignore the drone.
      • ATFGunr's avatar
        ATFGunr
        Legend
        2 years ago
        @UP_HawxxeyeKeep in mind how bad the balance is in these 2042 servers, was in a match the other day the defenders had 10 real players (including me), the attackers had 20, and the rest of the 64p server was bots. It started that way, and didn’t change for what ended up as the fastest round of Breakthrough I’ve had the misfortune to get railed on.

        I get that the game is desperately short of players. We need bots to be present just to give us targets. Because Dice has done such a poor job of balancing, I can see why the OP is against bots. If that server was 15 on 15 and the rest bots, I think we’d have held our own in that match. Where I think the OP loses this path is if players leave and get replaced with bots, and it’s out of balance at that stage, that’s still on Dice. If that many people are leaving, it’s because the issue must be it’s a roll (people rarely quit a winning game) and that’s a balance issue. I’d be happy to have it wrap up if we’re down by 10, just get it over and start a new map.
    • Karen0202's avatar
      Karen0202
      Seasoned Ace
      2 years ago
      @X-Sunslayer-X I get revived by bots a HELL of a lot more than I do with real players! And I'm not sure how he came up with losing 30 tickets per bot. Practically everytime I've had a team with bots there's maybe 5 left at the end of the battle, at most.

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