Take the Stealth Chopper out of the game

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@SleepyWeasel68 wrote:
@RaginSamStupid thing is… that guy probably got congratulated for dreaming that POS up.

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Just done a quick search and discovered he didn't have to dream it up.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/rah-66-comanche-stealth-helicopter-why-did-it-fail-195863

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@Tank2042Man wrote:

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@SleepyWeasel68 wrote:
@RaginSamStupid thing is… that guy probably got congratulated for dreaming that POS up.

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Just done a quick search and discovered he didn't have to dream it up.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/rah-66-comanche-stealth-helicopter-why-did-it-fail-195863

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I mean, everything is loosely based off of real things. The Condor is too, but does the real life version fly upside down at 30mph, carry infinite ammo, and can be repaired from within during combat? Is it used for combat at all? Nope.

It's also funny that the article you gave had this as the headline: "The RAH-66 Comanche Stealth Helicopter: Why Did It Fail?" LOL. I know that you're just saying it's real, but still kinda funny.

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@Man_iLoveFishing wrote:

@RaginSam What is perfect balance for helicopters? Just a question. We can exclude repair/support in spawns, cause of that helos will not be in field.

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I think the two biggest issue is the lethality of air vehicles and how easy they can survive. They get to pick when, where, and how long they want to fight. There's no downsides and they're way too tanky. They can't be everything if they're going to be balanced. Lethal, but they have to make quick passes before getting locked onto. Tanky, but not very lethal for transports. It's not that complicated.

The Stealth in helicopter specifically is untouchable if the pilot isn't completely brain dead. They have flares, and then go into stealth mode after that. They also have insane maneuverability. You're not going to land many shots on them with Liz or a Tank. You can't shoot them down with FXM-33 missles. So, what can infantry do? Plus, you're trying to actually play the game by capping points, shooting enemies, and looking at what's in front of you. To counter any air vehicle you're waiting on them to get within range, have the correct anti air load-out, and then hope you have a window to do all that without getting shot by it or someone else. The problem is that it becomes tedious and boring for the player trying to counter the helicopter. Not fun game play.

Personally, I think air vehicles are near impossible to make them feel perfectly balanced in a BF games. First they need to be less lethal,so they can't just farm everyone in the server. Then they need to be weaker. I kept hitting a hind with two consecutive main tank rounds, peppered with heavy rounds in between, everything was hitting. Even after that, they still had about 30% health or so. It's so freaking hard to hit anything flying in this game as it is. I did that three times that round! Talk about feeling pointless.

Just played a round using the Wildcat. I think that should be in it's own category or something, that thing shreds. Tanks are more fun, but if it's in it's own category I'd pick it more to help the team.

That could be part of the problem. Have more categories for vehicles, or just have a limited amount of each type per map.

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@Man_iLoveFishing wrote:

@ATFGunrBirdie can take Stealth out with almost no sweat. So far I've haven't had any issues. When I see one, I instantly go for it.

Edit: At this point it's not balance issue tbh, now it's about your team. But I totally understand how problematic Stealth can be in BT.

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The guns of the Bird are the ultimate flyswatters now :D

The Steath Heli is almost as annoying as BF1s Heavy Bomber.

The first you know about them is when you're in the spawn screen and it they both require a disproportionate amount of effort to dispatch. 

Small arms should deffo do appreciable damage to air without the need to select AP rounds and it should either be flares or stealth mode, not both.

@Trokey66the heavy bomber could get wrecked by fighters without it being able to do insane aerobatics and fight back, head on