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Aircraft have far better tools for escaping from ground forces trying to down them than ground forces have to set up plays to actually kill aircraft.
@edgecrusherO0 wrote:
@UP_HawxxeyeBecause "ripping that son of a gun out of the sky" is usually incredible difficult as infantry, especially if you don't have a wildcat handy.
Aircraft have far better tools for escaping from ground forces trying to down them than ground forces have to set up plays to actually kill aircraft.
Believe me I know, I have been both on the giving and receiving end of this.
But it REALLY makes a difference if the one time there is a good window to land stingers if it is 3 at once instead of 1.
Same if the pilot has to dodge like 4 people using the liz missiles instead of 1.
The main advantage of infantry vs vehicles is their overwhelming number.
I know some aircraft are just dumb right now but trying is better than accepting it
- 4 years ago
@UP_Hawxxeye I was only at the infantry end... edgecrusherO0 is right, if the pilot is not greedy, there is nothing the infantry can do, except poke a little bit. The stealth helicopter pilot has all aces. If Rao hacks? Flare before it gets through and fly away. If Stinger, just flare and fly away. If flares on cooldown, just take cover behind a hill or far enough, so nobody can lock you. If the pilot is no sleeping on all the little helpers (acoustic and visual), the only viable option is Lis with her rockets (funny enough, without boost they are not much faster than the helicopter, but less maneuverable) or a lucky shot with the M5. Really, nothing, without the help of an AA or other air. The stealth helicopter can counter everything, the infantry can do.
The most frustrating thing is... even if you use the rocket of Lis, you need two hits... very hard to hit one, impossible to hit two. Also, because the reload time is unpleasantly long... to get the helicopter after the first hit, you have to use boost.
And please, nobody has to tell me, that it is about teamplay. Why does the helicopter can solo everything, but the other side needs the whole team.
A thing, what is bothering me, too... why does the helicopter pilot gets every visual and acoustic help, if someone want to hack him, shoots a rocker (Lis), or is trying to use a stinger, but if Rao hacks something, nobody gets any information. It is really annoying, if you play Rao and wants to hack the helicopter, but it was already hacked... and the window to shoot a stinger is very (very!) short, to get a shot with the stinger in this window. So the hack is less useful, as the pilots are thinking.
- UP_Hawxxeye4 years agoLegend
@Captain_Tachithe Liz rockets need a big facelift vs aircraft.
They are officially supposed to be the reason that they could add the Stealth heli and we all know how little they help
- 4 years ago
@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:But it REALLY makes a difference if the one time there is a good window to land stingers if it is 3 at once instead of 1.
Same if the pilot has to dodge like 4 people using the liz missiles instead of 1.
The main advantage of infantry vs vehicles is their overwhelming number.
I know some aircraft are just dumb right now but trying is better than accepting it
Yes, if you can perfectly coordinate 3-4 missiles to all land at once you have a shot! But even if you're all on voice coms, that's an unreasonable and difficult amount of teamwork/precision to set up to have a chance at taking down a helicopter.
All the things you write about, I've seen in matches. Lis missiles flying everywhere. Stingers and SOFLAM's all the time. Rao's hacking (including myself). Yet frequently, none of it matters because good pilots seem to have endless ways to counter all of it through high mobility, flares, popular helicopters being fairly tanky, repair skill, and extensive use of LoS/cover on all maps.
- 4 years ago
@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:
@edgecrusherO0 wrote:
@UP_HawxxeyeBecause "ripping that son of a gun out of the sky" is usually incredible difficult as infantry, especially if you don't have a wildcat handy.
Aircraft have far better tools for escaping from ground forces trying to down them than ground forces have to set up plays to actually kill aircraft.Believe me I know, I have been both on the giving and receiving end of this.
But it REALLY makes a difference if the one time there is a good window to land stingers if it is 3 at once instead of 1.
Same if the pilot has to dodge like 4 people using the liz missiles instead of 1.
The main advantage of infantry vs vehicles is their overwhelming number.
I know some aircraft are just dumb right now but trying is better than accepting it
Absolutely, as a 100% ground player I hate enemy aircraft as much as anyone else when they are dominating our pilots but all it takes is 2 or 3 randoms to equip the stinger and the issue is resolved.
Pilots need to have their fun too.
- 4 years ago
If only their engine had enough assets and performance to allow more vehicles in a match to fight EACH OTHER instead of INFRANTRY.
- 4 years ago@PapaDrach What are they supposed to fight once they've established air superiority? Because that's what's playing out now, and what would play out even with higher vehicle counts of the core problems aren't addressed.
We'd just have more aircraft farming infantry at once for an even more miserable experience on the ground.- RayD_O14 years agoHero
@edgecrusherO0 wrote:
@PapaDrachWhat are they supposed to fight once they've established air superiority? Because that's what's playing out now, and what would play out even with higher vehicle counts of the core problems aren't addressed.
We'd just have more aircraft farming infantry at once for an even more miserable experience on the ground.Heaven forbid, it's quite miserable enough as it is thanks. 😬
- da_dingBAT4 years agoSeasoned Hotshot
Has anyone looked up the stats on Zhina guy? I posted about him last week and my post got taken down. I will say no more
- sHA4N4 years agoRising Adventurer@da_dingBAT Maybe you might him called him hacker but he is just an heli abuser.
- Roadmay4 years agoNew Ace
@sHA4N wrote:
@da_dingBATMaybe you might him called him hacker but he is just an heli abuser.Zhina guy is absolute a cheater or a group of cheaters , his headshot always spam in kill board while me was in the round . Once a time , I just leaving my MAV to revive our guy , but suddenly took multi headshot and killed by his AC-42 from over 100m , that is too fast to react to dodge .
About other guys I don't know . I shoot down NaTaDeCoccO's stealth helicopter in Saturday night by jet when he was fighting with our EBAA , but we lost real fast in the round .