the new update is a complete disgrace

Just wanted to refresh everyone on how BF4 did classes since that is the BF most everyone wants 2042 to be like.

Assault: The Assault Class is the Medic of the team. They heal and revive fellow teammates with the Med Kit and Defibrillators. The firearms they can use include: Assault Rifles, Carbines, DMRs, and Shotguns

Engineer: The Engineer Class is the Engineer of the team. They repair friendly and destroy enemy vehicles with free-fire, lock-on, wire-guided missiles and other tools. The firearms they can use include: PDWs, Carbines, DMRs, and Shotguns

Support: The Support Class is the Heavy Gunner of the team. They lay down suppressive fire with LMGs and indirect mortar fire, and supply ammunition to the team. The firearms they can use include: LMGs, Carbines, DMRs, and Shotgun

Recon: The Recon Class is the Reconnaissance member of the team. They relay intel to the team on enemy infantry and vehicle locations while providing sniper support. The firearms they can use include: Sniper Rifles, Carbines, DMRs, and Shotguns.

Luckily they didn't lock down the weapons to each class.

Also, they should have given the assault class the med crate.

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@NazT55 wrote:

Just wanted to refresh everyone on how BF4 did classes since that is the BF most everyone wants 2042 to be like.

Assault: The Assault Class is the Medic of the team. They heal and revive fellow teammates with the Med Kit and Defibrillators. The firearms they can use include: Assault Rifles, Carbines, DMRs, and Shotguns

Engineer: The Engineer Class is the Engineer of the team. They repair friendly and destroy enemy vehicles with free-fire, lock-on, wire-guided missiles and other tools. The firearms they can use include: PDWs, Carbines, DMRs, and Shotguns

Support: The Support Class is the Heavy Gunner of the team. They lay down suppressive fire with LMGs and indirect mortar fire, and supply ammunition to the team. The firearms they can use include: LMGs, Carbines, DMRs, and Shotgun

Recon: The Recon Class is the Reconnaissance member of the team. They relay intel to the team on enemy infantry and vehicle locations while providing sniper support. The firearms they can use include: Sniper Rifles, Carbines, DMRs, and Shotguns.

Luckily they didn't lock down the weapons to each class.

Also, they should have given the assault class the med crate.

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if they were going to do classes they should have given people *exactly* what they asked for.  bind weapons to classes and make people live with it, don't do half measures

@Padding_Ur_Stats 

Or they could change the other two specialists' abilities to something that is actually useful and benefits their class.

I mean all the other two get is a weak easily destructible sentry gun that never, ever seems to target anything and a glass mini gun turret that pops up a big neon banner that just screams "I'M STATIONARY PLEASE SNIPE ME!"

Let one of them have portable AA mines like BF4 and maybe give the other those proximity mines from BF2142 or something, just make it something USEFUL!

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@Ironhead841 wrote:

@Padding_Ur_Stats 

Or they could change the other two specialists' abilities to something that is actually useful and benefits their class.

I mean all the other two get is a weak easily destructible sentry gun that never, ever seems to target anything and a glass mini gun turret that pops up a big neon banner that just screams "I'M STATIONARY PLEASE SNIPE ME!"

Let one of them have portable AA mines like BF4 and maybe give the other those proximity mines from BF2142 or something, just make it something USEFUL!

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What really attracted me to 2042 was the ability to design my avatar.   Back in the day when we had a team of 4 guys, I was either Casper (with SOFLAM) or Falck.  I'm horrible at twitch gaming so I supported my buddies.   We had two guys who could easily get 40-60 kills without a permanent death.  Whomever played Falck was lying down reviving them, and I had the drone showing them what to shoot.  When a SOFLAM was needed, I would pop one out. 

We bought into the teamwork, but we were able to design our team.  We really wouldn't be able to do that effectively now.   I had buttloads of assists, but no kills during that time.  I avg over 200 spots and 90 assists a game back then.   Good Times. 

I've tried to like this update but it's not working.  Too many restrictions.  Prime example - the worst specialists in the game are the only ones with the M5.  And you've got some specialist with C5 but no EMP grenade - why? It makes no sense. It hasn't increased team work whatsoever in games with randoms.  Campers continue to camp and loan wolves continue to play away from their squad. The only people who play as a team are the people who played as a team before the update!  So the net beniefit realized by all of this was giving tankers icons for enemies - something they could've accomplished without any of this.  

On top of everything, the controls are an over complicated mess.  Flying is dead now that line of site breaks have been negated.  The load outs are infuriating.  They should've been assigned to the classes!  Now we have to change items around each time, so we effectively don't even have any load outs at all, just a single set of gear. All this effort Dice put into this patch could've been allocated to giving us actual NEW weapons and gear instead of a bunch of redundant Vault garbage, or a meaningful Tier 1 system so we have a reason to keep playing and trying new things.

And before anyone tells me to learn how to play other specialists, I've T1'd all of them.  Boris is completely useless and an utter embarrassment to even been seen using,  I'm honestly fighting the urge to uninstall and will probably give it one more chance, but I don't expect to feel any different. 

Padding_Ur_Stats I agree that vehicles just got a huge implicit buff because almost nobody is now carrying rockets, and if they do, then they have a hard time getting resupplied once they fire those rockets.

Air vehicles are the bigger beneficiaries of this buff. Before the 3.2 patch it was difficult to shoot down a good helicopter pilot - yes they could be harassed to have to go and hide/repair for half the time, but a good pilot could still go 50-1. Now that constant harassment is not very feasible from an infantry perspective - helicopter pilots are getting what they have been complaining about forever, the ability to farm infantry with impunity. The only real ground threat to a helicopter is a Wildcat or other vehicle with cannons.

Ground vehicles at least are still vulnerable to mines/c5 - infantry rockets are now few and far between and can be stopped by Irish sentinels anyway, so not much of a threat.

The buff to Lis rockets are not really a threat to vehicles as her two rockets won’t kill anything before the vehicle can just back off and repair. Allowing her to equip the other rockets in her gadget slot might make her a viable ground vehicle counter. The idea that her default rockets are a serious threat to a good helicopter pilot (one that does not just hover over the battle) is ridiculous.

Yup, total mess and I hate it. I feel like we had it all, and now they're taking it away and restricting us.

I've been playing since BF2, and I liked the specialization previously, but I grew to like the BF2042 method even more. It was such a nice system to play the character I like with whatever items I needed at the time.

Honestly, as dumb as it may seem, I'm done. It's not fun like this for me.

I would be curious to see how this pans out, if they get more players because of it. I feel like the people who wanted this have mostly left long ago. Of course, I solely base that on the amount of people I heard constantly complaining about the game in chat when the game came out and for a while after, as opposed to the almost complete lack of complaining I was seeing recently.

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@Tank2042Man wrote:
@PsubondThey did half measures to keep people who liked no classes happy.

Hopefully BF7 restricts weapons to classes too.

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No one is happy.  Specialists are still here and people who like freedom of loadouts got totally screwed.

Snipers will still take Falc or Mackey. 99% of players will not use the main ability of the engineer class - repair tool. And so on. A meaningless system that imposes meaningless restrictions and inconveniences. No?

if they were going to do classes they should have given people *exactly* what they asked for.  bind weapons to classes and make people live with it, don't do half measures

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at the beginning of the game operators were already a class. now they took the classes and put it into other classes.

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@NazT55 wrote:
@murdocklawlessWe all understand that but unless you had been here or on Reddit from the get-go there was a vocal majority that cried about 2042 not having classes. And cried for them to add classes. Those same ones probably don't even play the game anymore but yet here we are. We have classes. And I or you and others don't like it but what can we do? No matter how much we talk about it or complain about it will they revert the changes they made. The best thing to do is to either quit playing or just don't buy the next one. I for one will make my decision in a few weeks. And I am going to be wary on buying the next one.

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I stopped playing the game. as I have stated many times I can't stand the nonsense of vehicles being pulled into god mode. if there are infantry only games I will get into them. I don't want to see god mode vehicles in the game.

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@flcrm wrote:

A meaningless system that imposes meaningless restrictions and inconveniences. No?

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It certainly is.

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@NazT55 wrote:
@murdocklawless The best thing to do is to either quit playing or just don't buy the next one. 

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I'm  DEFINITELY not buying the next battlefield.  I skipped bfV because sonderlund ran his mouth, i have no issue with not buying the next game due to how badly the ball was dropped on this game time after time. 

From the radio silence in december/jan 2021/22 to the stripping exp from portal only to make a zombie mode (then delete it the next day).  The grin reaper skin situation (virtue signaling at its finest), haphazardly adding and removing game mode/map combos, many other things in middle i dont feel like typing out.  Then that brings us to 3.2 and the specialists change and the super infuriating controller layout change.  Yea, im thinking im ok with not buying the next bf.

It is almost like they are trying to drive players away

As for if i quit this game. I will give it a couple weeks and see how it goes.  They already got my $100 so i may as well see if i can do something with this game.  Not another dime to dice though until they prove themselves.  If they release a good game again i MIGHT buy the one AFTER that

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@Padding_Ur_Stats wrote:

JMHO

Restricting Rockets to Engineers is too limiting.  

Engineer is the weakest class.  Nobody is playing it so currently Pilots run around with no fear.  Played all day yesterday and Armor just parks on nodes.  They aren't moving.  They see that nobody is playing engineers (or very few, not enough to make a difference).   Lis is being played, but she alone cannot down a tank, mav, large vehicle class.  Maybe add the gadget to the Assault class as well.  After all, they are Assault.  Or allow Lis to carry rockets with her ability.   She would be able to solo large vehicles in about 20ish seconds presuming she hits with all and isnt capped while shooting.

The irony was the the tidal wave of whine with the changes to Lis.   Expect a tidal wave of whine from everyone who isn't a pilot now. 

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This is exactly what I had claimed and it really happened. vehicles are now the sole masters of the game.

“Here comes a great idea: let’s add classes back in the game by removing all of the customization we had previously.” -EA

This isn’t addition by subtraction, this is subtraction by addition.

Why doesn't EA just run them side to side in the menu.  Conquest 128 with Classes and Conquest 128 without and see who wins?
 

It's obvious which one is going to win because there was already Classes modes in Portal and no one played them.

But lets just see.  These PC wanna be BF purists who only play if their friends are playing, while there mom is out working and they are jobless playing in the basement, you all can go squad up can all go play together like you always have in Portal.  Admit it, you just wanna make it easier for you to farm console players.  You just want to condor up and heal that thing with one hand and no telling what your other hand is doing.

Lets let the players decide Dice!!!!  Put both modes and run them side by side.

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@Chalupagobbler wrote:

Why doesn't EA just run them side to side in the menu.  Conquest 128 with Classes and Conquest 128 without and see who wins?
 

It's obvious which one is going to win because there was already Classes modes in Portal and no one played them.

But lets just see.  These PC wanna be BF purists who only play if their friends are playing, while there mom is out working and they are jobless playing in the basement, you all can go squad up can all go play together like you always have in Portal.  Admit it, you just wanna make it easier for you to farm console players.  You just want to condor up and heal that thing with one hand and no telling what your other hand is doing.

Lets let the players decide Dice!!!!  Put both modes and run them side by side.

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Couldn't be more agree, harsh but I like it.

Player base are nodedive, like Hind being hit by TOR, took me almost whole minute just to queue in Exodus.Let me repeat that, whole minute for Exodus, do you really want to know what's going on in the Conquest?

I stopped playing vehicles, not because it's harder but because in every match everyone is choosing every slot, and with that many played vehicles without Assault annoyed them, now it's more vehicle versus vehicle. EA should call this Battlefield 2042 Tankzone Heliwar 2.0.

I do hope this update will appease and satisfies BF vet and so called purist wet dream, because I definitely stopped playing it.You might be on a very strong or very weak team, and in first week since update I never saw score discrepancy could reach 600 to zero.