The old scoreboard
Please bring back the old scoreboard showing kills, deaths, score, ping etc of all people in the server. The new one is too messy, unclear and doesn't show me useful information or just too little in...
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@DragonAlex1 Let me get this straight, you need an ingame scoreboard to dictate how much you PTO?
To low down? Throw out a bit more ammo.
Not quite there? Revive a few more team mates.
Nearly, just need to cap 2 more flags!
Without a scoreboard you will no longer do these things?
Or perhaps you should do all those things anyway to help your team win regardless of your position on a scoreboard.
To low down? Throw out a bit more ammo.
Not quite there? Revive a few more team mates.
Nearly, just need to cap 2 more flags!
Without a scoreboard you will no longer do these things?
Or perhaps you should do all those things anyway to help your team win regardless of your position on a scoreboard.
@Trokey66 Seriously, every post makes you look like a clown.
The whole point about the SB is to have a quick look at your performance overall when compared to the opposite team. A post squad info screen is nice but a quick tab look at whats going on is/was standard. If you personally don't care for it - fine. Plenty of others do. That doesn't mean that their calls for one are invalid. Lay it off.
The whole point about the SB is to have a quick look at your performance overall when compared to the opposite team. A post squad info screen is nice but a quick tab look at whats going on is/was standard. If you personally don't care for it - fine. Plenty of others do. That doesn't mean that their calls for one are invalid. Lay it off.
@BuzzfunkWhy?
Because I disagree and although nice to have, I don't see an ingame scoreboard as essential to how I play the game?
I will do all the things mentioned above and more to try to facilitate a win, I can tell how we are doing against the other team by the ticket count and how many objectives we hold.
And let us not forget, people are assuming everything about the scoreboard or lack of and throwing their teddies out the cot about it.The title of this thread is "Is there really no scoreboard?".
Reading this thread, many would think that it is a matter of fact that there isn't and that people won't PTO because of it. Fact is, we don't know and some of the hyperbole on the subject is rediculous.
- @Trokey66 C'mon you're alright my man but every Battlefield before 2042 that I remember has had a basic scoreboard as part of the game. If people are playing a game for fun they still like to see how they did overall at the end of a game while still managing to contribute to the team during the game. And as some have mentioned they use the scoreboard to see how others on the team are doing and hwo they might react to them. Acting like it's not a big deal is just making another excuse for a game that, up until some recent gameplay trailers, reveals, etc., has been less than forthcoming on details.
@BtheReaper49It is not a big deal and I'm not making excuses (excuses for what?) BUT.....
The issue here is people are whinging about something that may not need whinging about!
As I said earlier, having concerns, asking question and discussing things is one thing but what people are saying is just silly.
If the ingame scoreboard on release is not up to par then by all means, whinge. I may even join in but whinging about something that we don't know about is rediculous.
@BtheReaper49 wrote:
@Trokey66C'mon you're alright my man but every Battlefield before 2042 that I remember has had a basic scoreboard as part of the game. If people are playing a game for fun they still like to see how they did overall at the end of a game while still managing to contribute to the team during the game. And as some have mentioned they use the scoreboard to see how others on the team are doing and hwo they might react to them. Acting like it's not a big deal is just making another excuse for a game that, up until some recent gameplay trailers, reveals, etc., has been less than forthcoming on details.In BF1 more useful information on how you did compared to others after the round was over was found on the end of round stat screen. It would show if you were ranked 1-5 in a variety of categories. Same with your squad. And then there was the MVP screen that showed the leaders in 5 categories. MOre useful than the scoreboard.
I used the scoreboard as habit. Back in the day that's all we had. I hit the tab key to bring it up all the time like after I die to see the stats of the guy who killed me or see how far up I was. Or see who the enemy pilot was. Or sometimes see how the guy in my squad was doing. This doesn't mean it was essential though.
There is something to be said for using it to look for cheaters. But even there the obvious cheaters stood out anyway. You would start to see it in chat when people start getting one hit killed from wherever. The scoreboard wasn't used to find stealth cheaters.
They havne't let people limit players by ping for a long time and that doesn't need a scoreboard anyway. Just a ping limit setting.
Last, 128 players would have something to do with it not being there as well if it isn't there that is. May not be or may be. 128 players makes for a cumbersome scoreboard. But given the above and how more pertinent stats are better shown in the end of round screens - I can definitely seem why they might have phased it out.
PS. YOur score heavily depends on the role you play and you could never quickly or easily if at all make a comparison to others in a similar role with the main scoreboard. Last it doesn't affect what you should be doing on the battlefield.
- @trip1ex Good points.
1. I do like the end of round highlights screen on BF1 along with the scoreboard. It has some cool information.
I also liked to check the scoreboard from time to time to see what type of classes the team is using. If it was predominantly snipers on an attacking team then I was pretty much out of there.
2. It can be helpful to look for cheaters as well and console doesn't have in game chat so the scoreboard could be a better indicator. Sometimes the player may just be an unbelievable player but other times some kills look questionable. In that case you could report them and let EA/DICE sort it out.
With no scoreboard it would be pretty difficult to see who's questionable without having their immediate stats on screen ALONG with seeing how they're playing in game.
3. BF4 didn't show ping limits and that game was a major success. I liked the pings on the scoreboard in BF1 because you could see if some players were really dragging the server down. Remember some of those players with greater than 500 or 600 ping consistently? Yikes!
Nowadays it's pretty common on BF1 to have half of EACH team with greater than 100 pings with some sprinkling of over 200 as well.
It at least helped to see if maybe you should just leave a server if it was playing lousy due to pings.
Your last point is absolutely correct. Your role on the battlefield shouldn't be limited to looking at the scoreboard for your K/D and points. It should be based on what your team needs and how you can help win the objective game mode you're playing.
Hopefully they'll give us some sort of scoreboard that can provide some useful info to players. We'll see in about a week..... Most times i think the scoreboard is only used by people to find a reason to complain about:
- High Level
- High Ping
- Pilot / Tanker with high kill count / low death count
or for selfpolishing the own ego that they have a positive kdr.
Not seeing the fact that they dont heal, dont supply, dont capture ... in a team based game.
- @frantayps Not so. There were PLENTY of times where I had a negative K/D but would be in the top 5 on the scoreboard due to healing, throwing medic packs as a medic, etc. And I liked that. My high score got me extra XP to keep leveling up and I knew that I was helping the team. The scoreboard showed me that and also showed how successful overall you were in that particular game.
- @frantayps I don’t know why people keep presenting having a good KD as being the opposite of being a good squad/team player.
I have played with many of the good players on Xbox, and while it’s true there are egoistic players among them who only think about running from flag capture to flag capture as quickly as possible without having any interest whatsoever in squad play, there are also many, many players with a good KD who enjoys cooperating as a squad. @VOLBANKER_PCThat is not the point and not what is being said but there is no need to go down that rabbit hole here.
@Trokey66 It's no need for YOU to post here that you are "concerned" about people who are concerned about something. This is the rediculous stuff here! Seems you are a bit too deep in that kind of rabbit hole...
- @DragonAlex1 so you are happy for this discussion to descend into a KD v PTO argument? Because that is what @VOLBANKER_PC is talking about and it is that rabbit hole that is irrelevant to the topic at hand.
@Trokey66 It's part of the whole topic because as we 2 already had the discussion, that a Scoreboard is not a K/D board and you can still be on top of the Board even with bad K/D and @VOLBANKER_PC is right when he says you can still play team or Squadbased with a good K/D.
All that together says, that a Squadboard is NOT AGAINST teamplay - it is PART OF IT!
So there is no sense to remove it out of thoughts like this.- @DragonAlex1 but again, you are missing the point!
The discussion so far and has been mused over for many years, is that publicly displayed stats such as KD can drive a players mindset towards the game potentially to the detriment of teamplay, you know the people I'm on about, the camping kill farmers that do little to help their team.
What @VOLBANKER_PC is talking about is, in broad terms, the eternal low KD = Bad player vs high KD =Good player and is more directly about player ability overall and nothing to do with an ingame scoreboard. Granted he has only presented one aspect of the whole argument but that is why it is a rabbit hole that has little to do with a discussion about an ingame scoreboard. Just curious. I never played BF 1942, but am I right thinking that was the last time bots were in the game? What did the scoreboard look like? Did it include bot scores? Can't find a pic of it on Google.
@lzilchetl wrote:Just curious. I never played BF 1942, but am I right thinking that was the last time bots were in the game? What did the scoreboard look like? Did it include bot scores? Can't find a pic of it on Google.
Reply to my own post!
Got it....
All bots are shown. I'm still convinced that Dice cannot afford to reveal AI performance like here. Can you imagine the fuss there will be on this forum and others when AI dominates or underperforms. I've said it a few times, but seems like that no-one else thinks this might be a valid point.
- @lzilchetl I believe bots were only in "offline mode" in Refractor games and not in the regular multiplayer. I should reinstall GameRanger and join an active server to verify.
@ragnarok013 wrote:
@lzilchetlI believe bots were only in "offline mode" in Refractor games and not in the regular multiplayer. I should reinstall GameRanger and join an active server to verify.As the last poster points out... hardly seems worth it given how close the launch is. Yes, see the bots were only offline mode. Although I will miss the scoreboard if it does not make the game, its not a deal breaker is it? just think that folk are more focussed in their own needs and are blind to the more general dependencies that might impact design decisions. Can't see scoreboards that reveal AI scores happening. But we'll see.
@frantayps wrote:Most times i think the scoreboard is only used by people to find a reason to complain about:
- High Level
- High Ping
- Pilot / Tanker with high kill count / low death count
or for selfpolishing the own ego that they have a positive kdr.
Not seeing the fact that they dont heal, dont supply, dont capture ... in a team based game.
Not for complaining. Just to kick off far out of region players with a ping above aka 1.5 seconds.
Don't waste time complaining. Just execute.
@lzilchetl wrote:
@ragnarok013 wrote:
@lzilchetlI believe bots were only in "offline mode" in Refractor games and not in the regular multiplayer. I should reinstall GameRanger and join an active server to verify.As the last poster points out... hardly seems worth it given how close the launch is. Yes, see the bots were only offline mode. Although I will miss the scoreboard if it does not make the game, its not a deal breaker is it? just think that folk are more focussed in their own needs and are blind to the more general dependencies that might impact design decisions. Can't see scoreboards that reveal AI scores happening. But we'll see.
It would actually be very very helpful to Portal Game Creators if we/admin team at least had access to the full scoreboard, especially the ping rate for all connected players! As we absolutely need to have a tool to weed out the high pingers causing server lag, rubber banding, bullet sponging.
Next, I would still also vote to get the AI soldier scores on the scoreboard. How otherwise are we to figure out how best to utilize them? Meaning if we see that they constantly are too stupid to be of any use in the game, then we need to boost their IQ level in our server settings. Same as well if we see they go full T-1000 Rambo style and eradicate all human enemy players again and again, then we need to turn down their competency level just a bit.
We also need it matter of fact to throttle how many AI soldiers we truly should allow on and how many we factually have on our server at any given point of time. As personally I would favor running my own servers with as many real human players as possible and only use the AI soldiers to get it kickstarted from when empty. But we need then the visibility to the scoreboard to see how many we have live on the server. Again also to finetune our server settings to facilitate server startup but also to eliminate the AI soldiers as soon as we can please.
- @CyberDyme I am 100% confident that admins will have access to some form of player list, how else can they kick/ban?
The constitution of that player list is yet to be seen however.
@Trokey66 wrote:
@CyberDymeI am 100% confident that admins will have access to some form of player list, how else can they kick/ban?
The constitution of that player list is yet to be seen however.🙏
Sorry for keeping insisting on what we need in it and why.
The last years going through BF1 and BFV were tough...
- @CyberDyme BF1 wasn't that bad, BFV however.....
- @Trokey66 Knowing Dice we'll probably get something like the random list of players we got with BF1 from which it was tedious to find a specific player.
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