The old scoreboard
Please bring back the old scoreboard showing kills, deaths, score, ping etc of all people in the server. The new one is too messy, unclear and doesn't show me useful information or just too little in...
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@Trokey66 Seriously, every post makes you look like a clown.
The whole point about the SB is to have a quick look at your performance overall when compared to the opposite team. A post squad info screen is nice but a quick tab look at whats going on is/was standard. If you personally don't care for it - fine. Plenty of others do. That doesn't mean that their calls for one are invalid. Lay it off.
The whole point about the SB is to have a quick look at your performance overall when compared to the opposite team. A post squad info screen is nice but a quick tab look at whats going on is/was standard. If you personally don't care for it - fine. Plenty of others do. That doesn't mean that their calls for one are invalid. Lay it off.
Most times i think the scoreboard is only used by people to find a reason to complain about:
- High Level
- High Ping
- Pilot / Tanker with high kill count / low death count
or for selfpolishing the own ego that they have a positive kdr.
Not seeing the fact that they dont heal, dont supply, dont capture ... in a team based game.
- @frantayps Not so. There were PLENTY of times where I had a negative K/D but would be in the top 5 on the scoreboard due to healing, throwing medic packs as a medic, etc. And I liked that. My high score got me extra XP to keep leveling up and I knew that I was helping the team. The scoreboard showed me that and also showed how successful overall you were in that particular game.
- @frantayps I don’t know why people keep presenting having a good KD as being the opposite of being a good squad/team player.
I have played with many of the good players on Xbox, and while it’s true there are egoistic players among them who only think about running from flag capture to flag capture as quickly as possible without having any interest whatsoever in squad play, there are also many, many players with a good KD who enjoys cooperating as a squad. @VOLBANKER_PCThat is not the point and not what is being said but there is no need to go down that rabbit hole here.
@Trokey66 It's no need for YOU to post here that you are "concerned" about people who are concerned about something. This is the rediculous stuff here! Seems you are a bit too deep in that kind of rabbit hole...
- @DragonAlex1 so you are happy for this discussion to descend into a KD v PTO argument? Because that is what @VOLBANKER_PC is talking about and it is that rabbit hole that is irrelevant to the topic at hand.
@Trokey66 It's part of the whole topic because as we 2 already had the discussion, that a Scoreboard is not a K/D board and you can still be on top of the Board even with bad K/D and @VOLBANKER_PC is right when he says you can still play team or Squadbased with a good K/D.
All that together says, that a Squadboard is NOT AGAINST teamplay - it is PART OF IT!
So there is no sense to remove it out of thoughts like this.- @DragonAlex1 but again, you are missing the point!
The discussion so far and has been mused over for many years, is that publicly displayed stats such as KD can drive a players mindset towards the game potentially to the detriment of teamplay, you know the people I'm on about, the camping kill farmers that do little to help their team.
What @VOLBANKER_PC is talking about is, in broad terms, the eternal low KD = Bad player vs high KD =Good player and is more directly about player ability overall and nothing to do with an ingame scoreboard. Granted he has only presented one aspect of the whole argument but that is why it is a rabbit hole that has little to do with a discussion about an ingame scoreboard. Just curious. I never played BF 1942, but am I right thinking that was the last time bots were in the game? What did the scoreboard look like? Did it include bot scores? Can't find a pic of it on Google.
@lzilchetl wrote:Just curious. I never played BF 1942, but am I right thinking that was the last time bots were in the game? What did the scoreboard look like? Did it include bot scores? Can't find a pic of it on Google.
Reply to my own post!
Got it....
All bots are shown. I'm still convinced that Dice cannot afford to reveal AI performance like here. Can you imagine the fuss there will be on this forum and others when AI dominates or underperforms. I've said it a few times, but seems like that no-one else thinks this might be a valid point.
- @lzilchetl I believe bots were only in "offline mode" in Refractor games and not in the regular multiplayer. I should reinstall GameRanger and join an active server to verify.
@ragnarok013 wrote:
@lzilchetlI believe bots were only in "offline mode" in Refractor games and not in the regular multiplayer. I should reinstall GameRanger and join an active server to verify.As the last poster points out... hardly seems worth it given how close the launch is. Yes, see the bots were only offline mode. Although I will miss the scoreboard if it does not make the game, its not a deal breaker is it? just think that folk are more focussed in their own needs and are blind to the more general dependencies that might impact design decisions. Can't see scoreboards that reveal AI scores happening. But we'll see.
@frantayps wrote:Most times i think the scoreboard is only used by people to find a reason to complain about:
- High Level
- High Ping
- Pilot / Tanker with high kill count / low death count
or for selfpolishing the own ego that they have a positive kdr.
Not seeing the fact that they dont heal, dont supply, dont capture ... in a team based game.
Not for complaining. Just to kick off far out of region players with a ping above aka 1.5 seconds.
Don't waste time complaining. Just execute.
@lzilchetl wrote:
@ragnarok013 wrote:
@lzilchetlI believe bots were only in "offline mode" in Refractor games and not in the regular multiplayer. I should reinstall GameRanger and join an active server to verify.As the last poster points out... hardly seems worth it given how close the launch is. Yes, see the bots were only offline mode. Although I will miss the scoreboard if it does not make the game, its not a deal breaker is it? just think that folk are more focussed in their own needs and are blind to the more general dependencies that might impact design decisions. Can't see scoreboards that reveal AI scores happening. But we'll see.
It would actually be very very helpful to Portal Game Creators if we/admin team at least had access to the full scoreboard, especially the ping rate for all connected players! As we absolutely need to have a tool to weed out the high pingers causing server lag, rubber banding, bullet sponging.
Next, I would still also vote to get the AI soldier scores on the scoreboard. How otherwise are we to figure out how best to utilize them? Meaning if we see that they constantly are too stupid to be of any use in the game, then we need to boost their IQ level in our server settings. Same as well if we see they go full T-1000 Rambo style and eradicate all human enemy players again and again, then we need to turn down their competency level just a bit.
We also need it matter of fact to throttle how many AI soldiers we truly should allow on and how many we factually have on our server at any given point of time. As personally I would favor running my own servers with as many real human players as possible and only use the AI soldiers to get it kickstarted from when empty. But we need then the visibility to the scoreboard to see how many we have live on the server. Again also to finetune our server settings to facilitate server startup but also to eliminate the AI soldiers as soon as we can please.
- @CyberDyme I am 100% confident that admins will have access to some form of player list, how else can they kick/ban?
The constitution of that player list is yet to be seen however.
@Trokey66 wrote:
@CyberDymeI am 100% confident that admins will have access to some form of player list, how else can they kick/ban?
The constitution of that player list is yet to be seen however.🙏
Sorry for keeping insisting on what we need in it and why.
The last years going through BF1 and BFV were tough...
- @CyberDyme BF1 wasn't that bad, BFV however.....
- @Trokey66 Knowing Dice we'll probably get something like the random list of players we got with BF1 from which it was tedious to find a specific player.
@CyberDyme When there is a Scoreboard for Admin than I see no reason to don't give it for all players...
@DragonAlex1 wrote:@CyberDyme When there is a Scoreboard for Admin than I see no reason to don't give it for all players...
I can... but no-one wants to hear it. ☹️
Gone past caring tho 🙂
honestly, I dont care if there is a scoreboard or not. I would rather have fun with the game than focus on where I stood in my match.
- @locked_n_cocked 100%, i also like how the new scoreboard shows your squads position, because isn't that what everyone always wants? good squad play rather than solo cod style focus.
- @locked_n_cocked That makes no sense. These games should be fun yeah but they are also a competition. Watch ANY streamer and see how many times they hit tab to see where the game stands. This isn't a new function. Its the oldest elements of games. PONG had it. The squad screen is nice but doesn't help at a quick glance unlike the scoreboard. Have you not played BF 3,4 or 1,V? I wanna have fun like the next guy but part of the fun having done well in the match. Jesus...
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