The Question of Aim Assist
Okay, I'm finally putting this here, because I am really, really at a loss. How powerful is the console aim assist? From my POV, it might as well be a legalised aimbot. Currently, I have to resort...
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@Moab23 It definitely feels like some people know how to exploit hit reg using a VPN or something. 2042 uses dedicated servers, so it shouldn’t matter, but I still have a feeling there’s a way. My ping is exactly the same as yours. I’d definitely love to see others connections in game. People with high ping, using WiFi, and packet loss should be the ones having a bad time.
If I miss a single shot or don’t take someone somewhat off guard, it’s incredibly hard to win fights. I’m pretty convinced it’s a combination of aim assist and the net code. I get completely lasered even behind cover, head glitching, and being very twitchy.
If I miss a single shot or don’t take someone somewhat off guard, it’s incredibly hard to win fights. I’m pretty convinced it’s a combination of aim assist and the net code. I get completely lasered even behind cover, head glitching, and being very twitchy.
@RaginSam It has nothing to do with high ping, packet loss or the non working aim assit.
Everyone from highping low spec pc users to god pc machines on fiber to PS5 an Series X/S players are all complaining about hit detection and hit registration. PC players though wrongly attribute this to the non functioning aim assit and console players blame the fact being a PC player is enough.
Fact is its a issue with the crossplay in general. The three systems dont get along. As every complaint is damn near the same. PC players saying consoles lazor them and kill them around corners and dont take damage and Console players are saying PC mouse and keyboard makes PC players unkillable and with broken aim assit there is no way to compete.
Both are blaming the wrong thing. Its a fundamental game problem down to its core.
I will say this though I'd say 90% of the time it's a PC player that ends up being top in kills unless a console player is in a vehicle. This total lop sided top kill should point to console players are having a hell of a harder time given the non working aim assit to lower resolution and lower framerates.
Crossplay is by far the worst thing EA/Dice has done to this Franchise. Its poorly implemented and frustrating all parties involved.
Everyone from highping low spec pc users to god pc machines on fiber to PS5 an Series X/S players are all complaining about hit detection and hit registration. PC players though wrongly attribute this to the non functioning aim assit and console players blame the fact being a PC player is enough.
Fact is its a issue with the crossplay in general. The three systems dont get along. As every complaint is damn near the same. PC players saying consoles lazor them and kill them around corners and dont take damage and Console players are saying PC mouse and keyboard makes PC players unkillable and with broken aim assit there is no way to compete.
Both are blaming the wrong thing. Its a fundamental game problem down to its core.
I will say this though I'd say 90% of the time it's a PC player that ends up being top in kills unless a console player is in a vehicle. This total lop sided top kill should point to console players are having a hell of a harder time given the non working aim assit to lower resolution and lower framerates.
Crossplay is by far the worst thing EA/Dice has done to this Franchise. Its poorly implemented and frustrating all parties involved.
- @xXHappy_PuppyXxI appreciate what you’re saying and agree with most of your earlier comments, however respectfully disagree about the top player. Since this debate has been going on, I’ve been paying attention to it and consistent see consoles as most kills, even if not top on the leader boards. If PC players are so dominate, why are more than half the matches I play in topped by consoles? I also look at the platforms in the player screen, and it’s still about 50/50 PC & console. Desync is horrible, connection / netcode etc, 100% agree this makes proving that anybody has an advantage. We can probably all agree that high ping players on MM servers are just as much if not more of an issue as aim assist is. I just don’t think the software is ready for cross play that is fair to all.
- @ATFGunr I'm just curious did you pay attention if the console players were vehicle players? As seen some damn good helo and tanker console players.
I normally pay attention to the top enemy team player and normally dont count them if they are getting kills by tanks or helos.
I know in the last 20 or so games only 2 times were console players were top kill and I was one of those times with 40kill non vehicle kills. - @xXHappy_PuppyXx I do yah, I also discount vehicle scores as they can really rack up the KD. Just last night a PS player went 62-8, and I saw him regularly on foot as he outshot everyone including me. I’m not saying I’m gods gift to FPS, but this guy was making unbelievable shots. I assume he’s using a peripheral (I don’t say the name, those who know already know and those who don’t don’t need to know, I won’t advertise for a hack machine). He had some skills, sliding and what not, but his ability to switch to the next kill without recoil or pause was too good. I thought he was a PC player hacking but nope, PlayStation.
- @ATFGunr Well that doesnt really count lol.. ya I'm aware of that hardware dongle. Wasnt thrilled when I heard about it. One of the reason I switched to console was do to the massive issues with hacking. It just takes one on a server to just ruin it for all.
I play on series X in EU (don't think it makes a huge difference vs US) and if I see a console player in the EOR screen it's almost always a falk for revives or a casper for assists or anything support/team related. Top kills in EOR ? 95% of the time, if not more, it's a PC player. Yes there are some console players which are very good, and if they are still there it's certainly because a good portion of them is in this category (I'm clearly not one of them), and they play with a controller (please stop with the Cronus non-sense, it's a niche product, it's just the equivalent of the "PC cheater" boogeyman but for console). But just some simple statistics should be enough to understand that 20% of the players in a match (that's the average of console players in a crossplay lobby) can't do a crazy % of the other 80% deaths. Most of the time top console players in a game are pilots or tank drivers, simply because mouse or controller doesn't make a difference for vehicles.
The problem isn't that a god tier controller player is always going to roll over even the best m&k player, or that a PC pro gamer will align HS after HS 500m away from his target. The problem is that for most of the average console players they see that m&k players, even the average ones not on the top of the leaderboard, are able to ADAD, or control recoil, or aim while sliding/jumping in a much easier way than any average controller player is able to do. Aim assist is just a small band-aid for console players, not made to give a magical aim that can pinpoint anyone even blind folded, but just give you a tiny chance of fighting back. For BF2042, the problem is that it wasn't even a band aid for the first few months because aim assist was, at best, non-existent. Since 2.1 it became a bit better, but still far away from other games (for the best or the worst, depends on what end of the stick you are).
Also just think about that : if aim assist was so beneficial, why would any console player would like to have console crossplay only lobbies while it's so fun to shoot with their magical aim assist and head tracking bullets the 80% of PC players in a crossplay lobby...
Tried turning crossplay off. Apparently it sticks again, except nobody else is switching it off, so we're stuck with unbalanced games. Console players drag down the entire play of the server and make the experience utterly terrible, boring, and frustrating to play. I'm tired of some rank 10 Xbox player blowing my head off with a DM7 instantly in the briefest moment.
This is why it was so useful to have rentable persistent servers that we could administrate ourselves. V was rampant with hackers and zero effort was made to manage it by Dice or EA, zero. In BF4 ATF Clan had multiple servers and admins on to boot the hacker sans ban them from the servers. We used Procon tools and life was good. Players could even message an admin and somebody would log in and give the boot after shadowing. If the game devs can’t stop it at least the players and admins could. I doubt we’ll ever see those days again.
@xXHappy_PuppyXx wrote:
@ATFGunrWell that doesnt really count lol.. ya I'm aware of that hardware dongle. Wasnt thrilled when I heard about it. One of the reason I switched to console was do to the massive issues with hacking. It just takes one on a server to just ruin it for all.
@ATFGunr wrote:
This is why it was so useful to have rentable persistent servers that we could administrate ourselves. V was rampant with hackers and zero effort was made to manage it by Dice or EA, zero. In BF4 ATF Clan had multiple servers and admins on to boot the hacker sans ban them from the servers. We used Procon tools and life was good. Players could even message an admin and somebody would log in and give the boot after shadowing. If the game devs can’t stop it at least the players and admins could. I doubt we’ll ever see those days again.
@xXHappy_PuppyXx wrote:
@ATFGunrWell that doesnt really count lol.. ya I'm aware of that hardware dongle. Wasnt thrilled when I heard about it. One of the reason I switched to console was do to the massive issues with hacking. It just takes one on a server to just ruin it for all.100% bubba, I remember playing on the "ATF Hump 'em and Dump 'em" servers, good times!
I think when I was with the Locked n' Loaded clan we even competed a few times with you guys back when that was a thing.
Rank 8 on Xbox blows my head off instantly 4 times. One time he's shooting me before I've even come into view. Clearly locked on. Fourth time I have him and he literally does a 90 degree snap lock turn to shoot me before I can pull the trigger. This is beyond a joke, DICE. Utterly beyond a joke. I should not be losing time and time again to a player who has just started the game and has a bare bones weapon, like wth?
@Ironhead841 wrote:
@ATFGunr wrote:
This is why it was so useful to have rentable persistent servers that we could administrate ourselves. V was rampant with hackers and zero effort was made to manage it by Dice or EA, zero. In BF4 ATF Clan had multiple servers and admins on to boot the hacker sans ban them from the servers. We used Procon tools and life was good. Players could even message an admin and somebody would log in and give the boot after shadowing. If the game devs can’t stop it at least the players and admins could. I doubt we’ll ever see those days again.
@xXHappy_PuppyXx wrote:
@ATFGunrWell that doesnt really count lol.. ya I'm aware of that hardware dongle. Wasnt thrilled when I heard about it. One of the reason I switched to console was do to the massive issues with hacking. It just takes one on a server to just ruin it for all.100% bubba, I remember playing on the "ATF Hump 'em and Dump 'em" servers, good times!
I think when I was with the Locked n' Loaded clan we even competed a few times with you guys back when that was a thing.
Back in the good old days, It's sad to see how far we have moved away from the community spirit we enjoyed back then. ☹️
So throughout that round I had my head blown off by 6 different Xbox players, all under rank 15, all at close range. Instant headshot every time. Also, console snipers instantly blowing your head off while being riddled with automatic fire. Yay for aim assist.to save the day
Edit: After additional matches, average rank of the player killing me was...15. All XBox, all headshots. Any weapon, any range.
- @Moab23 would be interesting to see a video of one of the games you had with this. Can you try to post it on youtube ?
- @Moab23 ITS NOT AIM ASSIST. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!
more than likely, the low rank players are on an alt account with the purpose to troll people or straight up cheat.
at this point you need to post a video of your game play with this happening. @xXGugusseXx @TwentyValve I don't currently have the means to record.
First match of the day. 14 deaths. Two of them to PC players. 12 deaths, 9 of them headshots, carried out by Xbox players. One was a rank S259 who was firing at someone else in a completely different direction, sighted on them. They snapped to me and took my head off instantly with the AC-42. A pair of players with similar tags, both on Xbox, ranked 12 and 1 respectively, were up at the top. On our team we had a rank 7 topping the team with 55 kills and 20 deaths. Enemy team, all five top positions were Xbox players.
I'll just leave this here.
@Moab23every windows 10 PC is able to record gameplay.
See here : https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/record-a-game-clip-on-your-pc-with-xbox-game-bar-2f477001-54d4-1276-9144-b0416a307f3c#:~:text=While%20you%27re%20playing%20a,the%20square)%20to%20end%20it.
Don't forget to turn on in game the network graph.- @Moab23 It's funny whenever a PC player complains about aim assist. You have such a huge advantage on PC in shooters. It's been proven that kb&m are superior to controller. Just watch any good PC player and you can see that advantage. 180 turns in a split second, no recoil(because it's easy to manage with a mouse), snap aiming, easy headshots, etc...
@HARLEMnycity Sure. I've never done a 180 in a split second. Seen plenty of dodgy players do it, so maybe you're watching dodgy players?
In that match there I was leading with kills, mowing down a good few players who, as it turned out, were PC players. Yet the second I encounter some console players, averaging rank 8, I'm dead. Not only are they tanking the damage from my M60 to twice the amount it took to kill the PC guys, they're killing much quicker too. Oh yeah, and two of them instantly zapped me through my ballistic shield, despite one of them being below the level to fire at me, and one level. Curious how their shots are all hits to the head.
IDEM first time i have a issue with consol player. I think it's a BAD NETCODE + STRIKE PACK problem !
They will never FIX IT.
Boom instantly killed ! Have fun !
Had a match there that seemed to be only PC players (crossplay off function actually worked?). Gameplay was far, far better. Still a bunch of questionable players, including one low ranker who was clearly cheating and bailed out of the match part way through before I could screen cap the name for a report. But overall game was much more back and forth, felt far less one-sided in fights.
EDIT: Multiple matches later, no console players encountered. Result? KDR plays more like previous games. Always in the top five. Games feel considerably more balanced. Only a handful of suspect players around ranks 14 to 16 as frequently occurs lately. Nowhere near the degree of frustration from general combat as encountered in matches with console players. The M16, which has been terrible previously, was superb in these games. In addition to being laser-beamed, looks like console matches negatively affect the gameplay as a whole as normally, next to a full mag would be needed on one player. Not the case this time.
- @Moab23 vids or it didn't happen
@TwentyValve Oh, get the hell out. Bloody trolls.
- @Moab23 I'm the troll for wanting proof?
I'm the troll when multiple people have proven AA doesn't work how you claim its killing you?
I'm the troll, even though I've offered to help test to show Dice?
I'm the troll, even though I've provided proof of my claims.
and all you do is complain with no evidence or proof. someone even posted how you can record video so you can post it, yet all you do is still complain with no vids to back it up.
seems to me, you're the troll. just my observation. @TwentyValve Boo hoo.
Don't like what I'm telling you, want to call me a liar? Go ahead. Now go away and bother someone else.
