Dice just discussed the upcoming update will bring changes to Irish. According to their data Irish is one of the least picked specialists in the game. So because of that they have decided to nerf him... * what?!

Do we know what the proposed nerf is?Did DICE actually say/imply a nerf? Or did they just say 'changes'?

@rerk1 This isn’t a nerf, it’s a bullet in the back of Irish’s head. Throwing a grenade short would take out an APS. Shooting it with any non explosive weapon does as well. Who asked for this? He’s least picked so now let’s make him never picked? Yikes.

@AngrySquid270 Upon the Sentinel being placed, it'll have a warmup time of 1 sec. Once it stops its first projectile, it will become active and stop others only for 5 seconds, at which point it will go on a 7.5 second cooldown

@sk1lld wrote:So what's the nurf? Does anyone have any information on this supposed nurf?They've basically added cooldowns on the Irish sentinel that make it inactive for well over half the time. And different sounds and flashes to indicate which mode its in. They didn't mention it in this link. But, there is also a boot-up delay of 1 second according to the designer comments on inside battlefield podcast."One of the key changes that will be taking place for Irish is a balancing pass to the intercepting capabilities of Irish’s APS-36 Shootdown Sentinel (Sentinel)..Going forward, the Sentinel will now have a 5-second window from its first intercept to take down any additional projectiles it detects, such as Frag Grenades and Anti-Infantry Rockets from Specialists and Vehicles.Once this initial intercept time has elapsed, the Sentinel will enter into a recharging state and will no longer be able to intercept any further projectiles for 7.5 seconds before being able to intercept projectiles once again."https://www.ea.com/games/battlefield/battlefield-2042/news/dev-notes-improving-dozer-and-irish

The explosive spam in this game is really a problem I think but the design philosophy of this game seems to be, to make everything more "easy". If you look at the accuracy of the weapons, they are really easy to control the recoil even over long distances without bursting. Every vehicle needs explosive ammunition, just to make sure, that they have not to hit with their weapons, everything needs an area effect. Additional, more explosives have been introduced throughout the season. So for everyone, it should be easy to kill the opponent, the tools are doing the work, not the player. All this mindset just resulted in camping tanks (Thor or AA) with the trophy system. They were nearly invincible, so the problem is not Irish, it is the gameplay itself (or in this case the tanks) but the fastest and more easy solution was to nerf Irish, because nobody picked him for his abilities in the open, more for defending their own tanks. Nerfing the tanks would probably bring other problems, tanks too weak against infantry, or air would be superior... I don't like the change and the explanation, he is one of the least picked character, so we nerf him, makes no sense, without giving him something else... But I can understand, why you maybe nerf him, there were situations, his ability was way too strong and gave too little options of counterplay, still it is disappointing, because nothing will be done, to increase his popularity, the only thing what it happening, everybody is running around with Falk, McKay or Boris (only because of rocket launcher), because all other specialists are just awfully bad in comparison. That is no proper balancing but I think, Dice gave up on this front. Otherwise, there is no explanation for Rao, Boris, Casper, Angel, Crawford or Dozer without any love in the latest patches. All are just not competitive and / or boring and you have a huge disadvantage, if you pick any of them.

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Shibiwan
Rising Veteran
3 years ago
@rerk1
That's quite a nerf. Glad I already got Irish to T1. It's going to be a PITA once these nerfs are implemented.
They should be nerfing the Nightbird instead.
Ne0tax
New Vanguard
3 years ago
Instead of simply the M5 and TG-84 launcher passes through the APS of Irish an ultra simple adjustment which takes 2min. No it must be reinvented once again the wheel on a basis what makes the game worse, the Explo spam is already insane.
And how can it be that you can throw HE-grenades still 80m far?
TTZ_Dipsy
Hero+
3 years ago
People can't honestly think the sentinels weren't completely broken? Lol I'm surprised it took this long
UP_Hawxxeye
Legend
3 years ago
@TTZ_Dipsy
Yes but their idea of a cooldown is terrible.
Making them not stop the EMP grenades and buffing the EMP of the drone so it recharges faster, would had been better adjustments.

The cooldown makes sense on the vehicle versions because they can stop almost EVERYTHING and they cannot be destroyed unless the vehicle is destroyed.
Even allowing the EMP nades through is a massive buff to the scatter grenade and the airburst.
Ne0tax
New Vanguard
3 years ago
@UP_Hawxxeye EMPS -nade are already getting through and destroy the the APS and smoke is disabling the APS to.
Captain_Tachi
3 years ago
@TTZ_Dipsy was it completely broken? And if we define it as this, I think I can name much more things, that are completely broken, has more impact on the game and isn't changed (Air Burst, Helicopters, Thor, Boris or Crawford, the explosive spam...). So wouldn't it make more sense, to prioritize more impactful topics?
When I am honest, I nearly never played Irish, the nerf doesn't impact me, but I think he countered some problems I mentioned above and to nerf him, without fixing the other problems, will not help the situation at all.
Yes, the ability can be very powerful, same goes for Rao. But as nearly nobody is "using" these tools (so the popularity is on a low), I don't think it is beneficial, if we nerf it, without giving something, what is making this specialist more attractive.
I understand, that he is too powerful, if mixed with camping tanks, but beside that, I haven't seen any situations, where I thought "Oh, this OP Irish, because of him, we are losing!"
I am not a designer, but after all, I am not a big fan of too many explosives, as they lower the needed skill to be successful. Just shot near somebody and he will die. So everything, what is lowering these cheap kills, is good for me.
AOD_CapStar362
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@DigitalHype yet they wont make Dozer's shield destructible to tank rounds ( that should be your death! ) or even munitions like the LAT-V's 30mm.

DICE, when are you going to address Dozer's shield being able to stop Tank Rounds, Recoilless Rockets, C5, Heavy Caliber rounds like LATV 30MM HE, Wildcat, anything above .50 and LIS TGM Missiles.

This is completely absurd.

Either give Dozer's shield a HP Pool that it will break after so many hits like Irish's Barricade and make it so that a tank round of all things it is useless against. No ballistic shield I know of can stop a 30mm Round let alone a HUMAN can withstand the kinetic and explosive force of such a round impacting the shield.

Just for poos n giggles - do you know how much kinetic energy a 30mm RARDEN round delivers on impact? since the LAT-V is using the Bushmaster II 30x173mm Auto Cannon, and that Fires the RARDEN Series of munitions, we'll use this.

Doing the research on the 30mm RARDEN it is estimated that around 200,000 Joules of Kinetic energy is what the impact of a 30x173mm round delivers on its impact. Doing the math, using the estimated 200,000 Joules of energy, this translates to (( 200,000/1.356=147512.43 )) 147512.43 Foot Pounds of Force. That's nearly 74 Tons ( 73.75 Tons to be exact ) of foot force acting on that shield and thus the human.

So unless Dozer can support the weight of a M1A2 SEP v3 ( 73.6 Tons ) on his body, he should not be surviving impacts to the shield like this. the shield alone not breaking, with that much force slapping it, would turn him into a pink gooey sludge as the shield splatters him all over it.

I get that BF is far from realistic, but some common sense is in order here.
Shibiwan
Rising Veteran
3 years ago
@rerk1 The Irish nerf is the nerf nobody asked for. Typical of DICE.
ATFGunr
Legend
3 years ago
@rerk1 This isn’t a nerf, it’s a bullet in the back of Irish’s head. Throwing a grenade short would take out an APS. Shooting it with any non explosive weapon does as well. Who asked for this? He’s least picked so now let’s make him never picked? Yikes.
I_DYN4MO_I
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@ATFGunrThis nerf to the APS is all because of the TOR tank home base campers that hide Irish' APS out of line of sight and then rail everything on the map in complete safety.

There must be another way to address the above without nerfing one of the 2 counters to endless explosive spam this games known for and rendering an already under used specialist practically useless.
Surely they could have just made the APS inactive in your own out of bounds base area without nerfing the APS completely.
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