It feels like hitting a tank with a rubber bullet, it does so little and it's more of an inconvience than a threat . Like the only weapon I can even consider decent in terms of being a good anti-vehicle weapon is the Javelin and even that has it's meh moments. CM edit: removed odd link.

The only issue I have is M5 is now reduced to Crawford and Boris, who basically bring zero to the fight in regards to their specialist ability. So to choose them, you are already neutered compared to the other Specialist. Lis, another Engineer, is equally neutered because right off the bat, she can't use any of their classes' shoulder-fired gadgets. The Engineer class as a whole is broken. That is probably why anti-tank weapons feel so bad, because before anyone could use an M5. They have no clue how to balance a game if you haven't noticed. All the data is right there, but they literally ignore it and only do what streamers or content creators complain about (just go to Social Media and look at who they reply to).

Damage and reload speeds feel ok.The problem for me is the limited ammo. We haven't seen rocket ammo restricted like this in a long time.BFV had ammo stations.BF1 had regenerating ammo(?)BF4 let you carry 7(?) rockets AND we had bonus damage modifiers.It's pretty demoralizing to come across a tank and know that even if you play it perfectly the tank will win in a solo encounter. The tanker can just sit there and eat the rockets as they browse Reddit. It's even more demoralizing to land a few hits, see the tank retreat and heal and know that you are effectively done with your role/playstyle/class until you respawn. I think it's this last point that make Boris/Crawford so unappealing to play - the time spent fulfilling your class role is too short. And that bit of time you are doing the class role is often unsatisfying.

@UP_HawxxeyeI see no reason to take M5 over Liz atm. You just punish yourself when you pick the M5, a launcher you often cant find any ammo for + Crawford or Boris.

@m11aaya888 Dont forget: you only get 3 of those rubber bullets. Finding more of those rubber bullets became a challenge after the classes update, making ammo crates rare.Playing engineer class vs vehicles has never been more frustrating.

@m11aaya888 I think you people still haven't figured out that with buffed M5, 2 people can take any tank apart in seconds.Also, nobody appreciates underbarrel AP grenades. Not all weapons have them. But if you use AK, Scar or some other weapons that have them, you might want to equip it in the Plus menu. They do 20 damage per hit and you get 3 of them.

Why are all the anti-tank weapons so bad?

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AngrySquid270
3 years ago
@UP_LordPlumber wrote:
@AngrySquid270BF1 had regenerating ammo? BF4 had bonus damage? Have you even played any of those game?

You'll notice I put a question mark on that BF1 statement - your tone is unnecessarily combative. Too many battlefields, too many years, I forget some of the details.
On BF1, I'm quite certain there were regenerating grenades - including light AT nades. There was also discussions/CTE work being done on regenerating ammo for all gadgets. Between the regenerating nades and CTE work I may be wrong on my cautious statement of BF1 having regenerating AT launcher ammo. Downloading BF1 again now to refresh my memory.
https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield_live/comments/5zytvl/grenade_resupply_ammo_20_and_whats_next/
@DICE wrote:

Other gadgets should not become completely useless once their ammo is expended, but should be stronger when supported by ammo.
Expanding Ammo 2.0 support to all gadgets.

BF4 had bonus damage for launchers. Perhaps you were trying to be pedantic and would prefer me to use the term multipliers? The multipliers were well documented. See Sym. https://forum.sym.gg/t/visualization-of-vehicle-incoming-damage-multipliers-angle-bf4/83
@UP_LordPlumber wrote:
Only difference you get less of them. Because imagine 64 players having access to a rocket launcher with 7+ rockets. The spam would be absolutely insane.
I'm not sure what you think my position is. BF4 had the potential for an entire team to run engineer with 7+ rockets. I don't recall there being an insane amount of rocket spam.
UP_LordPlumber
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Wargame_Enj0yer Still you got 5 by default + 2 with squad perk compared to 3+1 in 2042

And please, finding ammo was as rare as it is now. Maybe even more difficult since most would run Assault. Supports were mostly camping mortards or ucavs. Ammo bags/pouches were few and far between.

Also tanks were strongers. They had huge amount of different ammo types, canister shells, thermal/IR vision, reactive armor+APS as well as AGM+soflam all in one extremely fast and agile package.

2042 MBTs are slow, cumbersome and have little to no variety. All they do is camp most of the time.
AuMordum
Seasoned Hotshot
3 years ago
One lone wolf man isn't suppose to be able to easily kill a tank, thats not balance at all. You're upset choosing an AA/AT role isn't equal to godmode against tanks/helo/jets. Imagine driving a tank, and out of nowhere you get one shot by whatever... it's suppose to be a tank and hard to kill. Blame your team when the tank is 50-0 in a round.
UP_LordPlumber
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@AuMordumWell that's the thing, nobody doesn't 50-0 in a tank. Land vehicles have been nerfed so much from previous games that you never see them going on a streak. I see from time to time some skilled EBLC-RAM duo, but those are extremely rare.

Wildcat and MBTs are utterly useless as front line vehicles. Sometimes I think infantry player will be happy only when all vehicles are removed from the game
DPsx7
3 years ago
@UP_LordPlumber Yeah, I think you hit harder by aiming for the back of tanks.

That's your excuse? So rather than face the unlikely event where multiple players used rockets, you'd vote to nerf it so infantry had no use being on the field? Because that's the game we have now, and I use 'game' loosely.
DPsx7
3 years ago
@AuMordum It's totally balanced. If a single player can get in close to a long range tank with multiple players, I say they earned those points.

They aren't supposed to be hard to beat with the right weapons. They're big, slow targets. And there's supposed to be risk if they drive off alone. Unfortunately the players that don't know how the game should work are the ones trying to tell the devs how to do their job.
AngrySquid270
3 years ago
@AngrySquid270 wrote:
On BF1, I'm quite certain there were regenerating grenades - including light AT nades. There was also discussions/CTE work being done on regenerating ammo for all gadgets. Between the regenerating nades and CTE work I may be wrong on my cautious statement of BF1 having regenerating AT launcher ammo. Downloading BF1 again now to refresh my memory.
Got BF1 re-installed. Nothing regens. I was wrong on that point. Starting rocket ammo is 4.
It seems there was a period in Spring 2017 where grenades regened, with plans to expand it to all gadgets. https://www.pcgamer.com/dice-is-changing-the-way-battlefield-1-ammo-resupplies-work/
But those plans were apparently scrapped and grenade regen was rolled back.
UP_Hawxxeye
Legend
3 years ago
@DPsx7 wrote:
@AuMordumIt's totally balanced. If a single player can get in close to a long range tank with multiple players, I say they earned those points.

They aren't supposed to be hard to beat with the right weapons. They're big, slow targets. And there's supposed to be risk if they drive off alone. Unfortunately the players that don't know how the game should work are the ones trying to tell the devs how to do their job.
the risk for the tank has never been bigger than now.
I have used tanks since BF3 and I have never felt as much in danger as now when it comes to being aggressive with a tank (aka not when hiding in the rear lines).
I am all for the infantry having the tools for exterminating a tank in style. But I am concerned by how the BF2042 tanks are both clumsy with limited vertical turret angles as well as reeeeeealy few compared to the infantry they deal with.
Unless I am mistaken, the number of tanks in 128 CQ on 2042 maps is smaller than the number of them in 64 CQ Caspian border

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