Why is there no Console Only Cross-Play?
We should get console crossplay only so me and my friend can play together without being killed every 2 seconds by some xtreme fast pcplayer.
they have unfair advantages over console players… ...
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@Echo6Echo wrote:You guys always jump right to that bandwagon don't you? "I don't want to play with PC players because they cheat" It's a big pile of horse doodoo. There are cheats for console as well and if you don't believe that, you're fooling yourself....am I saying that there are no PC cheaters, of course not, I know there are. So you think just because you play on a console you're better than us lowly PC players and deserve special treatment? How about instead of cutting our already small player base in half, we fix cheaters. And TBH, most of what you all are calling "cheaters" is bad net coding. I personally have only seen a few people that I was pretty sure are enhanced gamers and one of them was console.
The real issue here is net coding. Something in the servers doesn't like console mixed with PC. That has zero to do with cheaters. Let's fix that and cheaters and all play together, cause you won't find a full game otherwise very often I'm betting. It can be done as other titles do it....
1. cheating on consoles is not as devastating as on PC.
2. Every player's level is different, the same controller match is more fair, you can't say that there are some controller players against keyboard and mouse is easy to represent all players are the same.
3. Look at the APEX, this game does not have the problem of cross play
@OldFriend-Wang wrote:1. cheating on consoles is not as devastating as on PC. How? Quantify that please....cheating is cheating. How is it any worse on a PC?
2. Every player's level is different, the same controller match is more fair, you can't say that there are some controller players against keyboard and mouse is easy to represent all players are the same. PC players play with either KBM or Controller. Do you also want them to be segregated? The argument about console is worst than PC because of a controller is bunk. Go look on the purple snake and the supposed "pro" players. Guess what input device they are using...you guessed it, CONTROLLER.
3. Look at the APEX, this game does not have the problem of cross play Go look at the current most played BR...they don't have issues either and they have both PC and CONSOLE playing with a mix of KBM and Controller. IT'S A GAME ISSUE NOT A PLATFORM OR INPUT DEVICE ISSUE
I get killed as much by console as PC. Unfortunately I can't tell if the PC is KBM or controller. Instead of screaming about PCs, why don't we scream for them to FIX THE GAME and not separate us and limit our already too low player base.
More than 10 years ago, Microsoft tested Consoles vs PC players, with the XBOX 360...
It was a ""Microsoft project that was designed to allow console gamers and PC gamers to interact and battle over a connected environment." During the testing, extremely talented console gamers were pitted against "mediocre" PC gamers in what appears to be some type of shooter. The Xbox gamers used their 360 controllers and the PC gamers used the traditional mouse/keyboard combo.The results?
"The console players got destroyed every time. So much so that it would be embarrassing to the XBOX team in general had Microsoft launched this initiative."
Soodcredited the outcome tothe combination of the superiormouse/keyboard setup, and his belief that "You simply don't get the same level of detail or control as you do with a PC over a console.""
Not sure why they keep pushing consoles to play with PC players...
- @Echo6Echo It’s lazy and easier to just blame all PC players for cheating. I’ve played PC for 20 years, never cheated, don’t understand the desire to do it or what you get out of it. I’m tired of being lumped into it in general, and the forum mods do nothing about the attacks on a big part of their player base by another part. Are all console players just bad at gaming? Are they all 12 years old in their parents basement? Get gud?? Of course they’re not, but if all PC players posted about consoles I guarantee you the CMs would be removing those posts. Apparent it’s ok to spread lies and hate about PC players. It’s BS.
@Echo6Echo wrote:....cheating is cheating. How is it any worse on a PC?
Is it your position that the severity and frequency of cheating is equal between PC and console?
If cheating is cheating - then do you not make a distinction between someone using an anti-recoil macro versus a more hardcore aimbot that can headshot people across the map?
- @AngrySquid270 Cheating is cheating. Macros are cheating. The number of Vicars firing full auto is at an all time high. Macros on a pc or adding a device to a console that allows macros are all cheating, in that it changes a specific programmed dynamic in a game in a way others can’t. How a developer can identify that and stop it though… that’s an issue for a different thread.
I would love console only crossplay. Plays so much nicer. Now I play only few matches and stop. Movement and accuracy is much different with M&K. And of course cheating in games got much worse and anticheats don't really work in majority of games.
And this is a more recent comment from Spencer, current head of Xbox:
“I’ll never force somebody in our games whose playing with a controller or a mouse and keyboard to play against somebody with a different control scheme,” he said. “Mouse and keyboard rotation speed is faster than controller. We know that, you’ll lose.”
But this is the internet, so I don't try to convince anyone of anything. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
And my opinion is that as a PS5 owner, I don't want to play a game such as this against PC m+k.
@AngrySquid270 wrote:
@Echo6Echo wrote:....cheating is cheating. How is it any worse on a PC?
Is it your position that the severity and frequency of cheating is equal between PC and console?
If cheating is cheating - then do you not make a distinction between someone using an anti-recoil macro versus a more hardcore aimbot that can headshot people across the map?
Yes as a matter of fact my position is that cheating is equal between PC and console. I do NOT make a distinction between a macro and aimbot and neither should you. The are ALL cheats! Anything that changes the game to make it easier or to gain an advantage over another player is a CHEAT whether it's a VPN, macro, script, cronus, aimbot or wallhack. Guess what....every platform does it. I'm betting we'd be surprised at the number of consolers using something, so stop saying "PC players cheat so I don't to play with them". I'm betting an equal number percentage wise of console players are "enhanced". I get killed by console players and PC players with controllers as much as anything. I'd say that at least 50% or maybe more of my deaths are by console if we're honest here. The real problem with crossplay is GAME CODE.
One of the real differences between PC and Console and why it seems much easier for PC is the setup. A lot of consoles are in the living room, tied to a low response, very large TV. You lean back on the couch sitting 6 feet from an 80" wide monitor and try to play. And that's FINE, you're casual and relaxed, we get it. Play on. Then you face a PC player who has a 28", 2ms 240hz monitor sitting upright in a chair 2 feet from the monitor. You on the couch have to turn your head 10-15 degrees back and forth to see everything while PC player sweeps his eyes a couple of inches either direction. Which is easier? Try plugging your console into a high performance monitor and sit up 2 feet from it and play. You might be surprised...
@Echo6Echo wrote:
@AngrySquid270 wrote:
@Echo6Echo wrote:....cheating is cheating. How is it any worse on a PC?
Is it your position that the severity and frequency of cheating is equal between PC and console?
If cheating is cheating - then do you not make a distinction between someone using an anti-recoil macro versus a more hardcore aimbot that can headshot people across the map?
Yes as a matter of fact my position is that cheating is equal between PC and console. I do NOT make a distinction between a macro and aimbot and neither should you. The are ALL cheats!
I'm not disputing they are both cheats. They are.
My point is some cheats are more disruptive than others.
Personally I'm willing to sacrifice a few seconds of matchmaking to ensure I never encounter the worst kind of cheats (among other reasons I'd prefer not to play with PC).
@AngrySquid270 I don't want to derail the thread, but you keep saying, "the worst kind of cheats". I don't see what the difference is, a cheat is a cheat is a cheat. That's like saying there are degrees of death...you aren't part dead or really dead. You're just dead...
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Thank you for all the continued feedback, everyone.
Let's be sure to keep the thread on topic and not turn this into a cheating discussion, please and thanks. 👍
- cheating is one of biggest reasons most of console players prefer to play without crossplay as on PC platform cheats are widely available paid or free. If the game is cheat "free" issue is frame rate difference. Most People with new gen console won't go 120hz in near future. Then of course is accuracy and movement possibility with M&K. pro controller users will loose mediocre M&K pretty much always. Aim assist doesn't really do that much. And if there's PC players complaining about even more reasons to do console only crossplay and leave "master" race in their own juice. I'm still playing on PC occasionally and most games I play there's cheating problems.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the tv or monitor
I have a 700 gaming monitor for my series x and still notice the difference
@scanerboy wrote:
cheating is one of biggest reasons most of console players prefer to play without crossplay as on PC platform cheats are widely available paid or free. If the game is cheat "free" issue is frame rate difference. Most People with new gen console won't go 120hz in near future. Then of course is accuracy and movement possibility with M&K. pro controller users will loose mediocre M&K pretty much always. Aim assist doesn't really do that much. And if there's PC players complaining about even more reasons to do console only crossplay and leave "master" race in their own juice. I'm still playing on PC occasionally and most games I play there's cheating problems.@scanerboy although you have a valid point about cheating, it only adds to the problem. Even if we somehow manage 0% cheating, we still have the problem with crossplay with PC. The main problem being MKB vs controller. We need consoles with crossplay without PC and if Dice is not ready with this option, then have crossplay completely disabled and work on it until it is ready and then make it an option for people to enable that do want to play with their PC friends. It would be great to have crossplay with console as default, so PlayStation and XBOX. Most importantly, the crossplay without PC should be the default on console for this to work (if crossplay is not ready, then disable crossplay as default setting on console), if not the default we will never find a game to play on console. Most people after installing Battlefield do not go into settings, they jump in and start playing, which will result in a bad experience and you know what happens next, they uninstall.
I have yet to hear a single successful response to this one...so here goes again. For those of you that keep screaming "I don't want to play with PC because MKB is leet compared to controller", how do you explain those that play on PC WITH a controller? Why would you do such a thing if it was so inferior?
@Echo6Echo wrote:I have yet to hear a single successful response to this one...so here goes again. For those of you that keep screaming "I don't want to play with PC because MKB is leet compared to controller", how do you explain those that play on PC WITH a controller? Why would you do such a thing if it was so inferior?
See posts #202 and #204 of this topic.
with cross-play off i cant even get into a match even tho its supposed to be filled with bots but its not and ive only see maybe 6 players total waiting for a match to fill but doesnt and this is in eastern US so whats the deal here. im tired of playing against PC cheaters, and yes they are in the game. they need to put in a server browser
@AngrySquid270 wrote:
@Echo6Echo wrote:I have yet to hear a single successful response to this one...so here goes again. For those of you that keep screaming "I don't want to play with PC because MKB is leet compared to controller", how do you explain those that play on PC WITH a controller? Why would you do such a thing if it was so inferior?
See posts #202 and #204 of this topic.
So your response is, "they're too tired to use KBM anymore"? Really, that's the best you have? Why would anyone, if KBM is so all powerful, limit themselves knowingly? Why do half of all the "pro" streamers use controller? It's because controller can be competitive with KBM IF THE GAME CODE WORKS PROPERLY. Stop finding any excuse to split the already small user base and blaming PC players for this game being sub par. It's just not true. IF the game was coded correctly, I'm willing to bet we wouldn't have all this screaming about PC. I play PC along with thousands of others and I don't think every PC player is cheating and KBM is not as good in this game as you think...in fact is broken af still to this day even with the last patch.
PC vs PS5/XSX(with all inputs kbm/gamepad)
PS5 vs XSX
PS5/XSX vs PS5/XSX
or input matchmaking..
Only first you need to have people playing this game to divide the community like this ;-)
@Echo6Echo wrote:
@AngrySquid270 wrote:
@Echo6Echo wrote:I have yet to hear a single successful response to this one...so here goes again. For those of you that keep screaming "I don't want to play with PC because MKB is leet compared to controller", how do you explain those that play on PC WITH a controller? Why would you do such a thing if it was so inferior?
See posts #202 and #204 of this topic.
So your response is, "they're too tired to use KBM anymore"? Really, that's the best you have? Why would anyone, if KBM is so all powerful, limit themselves knowingly? Why do half of all the "pro" streamers use controller? It's because controller can be competitive with KBM IF THE GAME CODE WORKS PROPERLY. Stop finding any excuse to split the already small user base and blaming PC players for this game being sub par. It's just not true. IF the game was coded correctly, I'm willing to bet we wouldn't have all this screaming about PC. I play PC along with thousands of others and I don't think every PC player is cheating and KBM is not as good in this game as you think...in fact is broken af still to this day even with the last patch.
@Echo6Echo the majority the streamers I watch use MKB on PC, and the streamers that play Battlefield all use MKB on PC. The pro streamers you mentioned using controller definitely limit themselves, just look at all the reasons listed in this discussion topic. Streamers cannot be compared to the general consumer and average gamer playing Battlefield consistently 1 or 2 hours a day, although not every day because we all have school work, jobs, chores and just life in general keeping us busy. The average gamer that play Battlefield PC will mostly use MKB. It is the average gamer that keep Battlefield alive because we play with our friends to have fun and for that Battlefield moments. We keep servers populated, not streamers. We play to have fun, so if you put a console player with PC playing Battlefield, you will not have a good experience, and that is why we have no servers populated, because crossplay with PC is default. Not sure how the "game code" you mention will resolve the issue.
@Echo6Echo wrote:
@AngrySquid270 wrote:
@Echo6Echo wrote:I have yet to hear a single successful response to this one...so here goes again. For those of you that keep screaming "I don't want to play with PC because MKB is leet compared to controller", how do you explain those that play on PC WITH a controller? Why would you do such a thing if it was so inferior?
See posts #202 and #204 of this topic.
So your response is, "they're too tired to use KBM anymore"? Really, that's the best you have? Why would anyone, if KBM is so all powerful, limit themselves knowingly? Why do half of all the "pro" streamers use controller? It's because controller can be competitive with KBM IF THE GAME CODE WORKS PROPERLY. Stop finding any excuse to split the already small user base and blaming PC players for this game being sub par. It's just not true. IF the game was coded correctly, I'm willing to bet we wouldn't have all this screaming about PC. I play PC along with thousands of others and I don't think every PC player is cheating and KBM is not as good in this game as you think...in fact is broken af still to this day even with the last patch.
Hmm, that's kind of a strange response since in post #204 you stated "@AngrySquid270 Now there's the info I was looking for...all valid points." to the same exact post(#202). That same post now gets a gross mischaracterization and dismissal from you. Strange.
I'm not looking for excuses to split the community. Splitting the community is not my goal, it's simply something I am willing to sacrifice. If you asked 100 people where they'd draw the line on what they'd be willing to sacrifice for better matchmaking I suspect you'd get many different responses. This isn't a right or wrong situation. People have different priorities, I'm sharing mine. I understand and expect others to have different priorities.
As it stands today the community is split. Last gen plays on separate servers. 20Hz, 64 player only, extra long load/match start times.
What would the typical PC player be willing to sacrifice to bring those players into the larger crossplay pool? Would PC players be willing to downgrade to 20Hz servers? Give up 128p maps? Endure extra long load times so last gen players have shot at vehicles at the start of a map? I suspect that the typical PC player would prefer to keep the status quo rather than make the sacrifices needed to play with last gen players. I wouldn't blame those PC players and I certainly wouldn't be accusing them of trying to divide the community.
- @EA_Mako Feedback on this topic has been given out since last year: https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Crossplay-should-have-been-only-between-PS5-and-Xbox-SX-S/td-p/10989450. But you guys don't seem to think that its relevant.
PC cheating is running rampant in the Asian region, but any discussion about the subject is swept under the rug in this forum. This should be the main reason for you to consider implementing console-only crossplay.
