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Let's keep things civil in here folks. It's fine to agree/disagree with each other as long as it's kept polite and civil.
@EA_RtasSorry about it. I'll keep it down.
@Trokey66Everything said prior to announcement of crossplay with PC would be irrelevant because IT IS UNFAIR to allow M&K in a console lobby. Your arguments after that were that no other battlefield games had K&M support but they didn't have crossplay either so it's invalid too. If this game didn't have crossplay then fine, I wouldn't ask for K&M. But it does and I don't see the point of putting all the work and effort to allow console players go against PC players when eventually every console player will opt out unless a K&M functionality is introduced and putting such users to go against PC players. If I've missed any other point then just point it out and I'll clarify it too.
Also there is no such thing as console player = controller and PC = M&K. Believe it or not it's a very outdated thing to believe in. Like someone mentioned, PC allows use of controller so why not the other way around. All we are asking for is an accessibility feature. Not a gameplay balance change. Something that literally doesn't affect controller users like, at all. If anything it brings more people to the game.
- 4 years ago
Why are people crying about this, you plug in kb/m that’s your choice and you get put in kb/m lobbies it’s that simple!
- 4 years ago
Guys he is just telling those things to make people angry. If he really thinks like that let him live in his bubble. "May the Earth be light with you".
The fact is that we have a cross-platform confirmation and that does not answer the original question.: Will Battlefield 2042 be playable with K&M on Xbox?
So far the answer is: most likely.
- Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace@FireExhauster If KB&M is restricted to PC crossplay, have at it.
As much as you want KB&M on console, there are many that don't because of the inherent advantage it brings over controller.
What makes your 'bubble' more valid than the 'bubble' of the opposing view? - 4 years ago@Trokey66 I never said K&M isn't an advantage over consoles and never denied when someone said that. But my point was for console players to be able to use K&M and go against PC players/Console K&M users or other controller players IF they don't opt out of crossplay. That's why I implore people to read the whole post and understand it before giving a reply.
I always stand by what I say (as should everyone) and be prepared to stack up evidences to support it. Will I change my mind? Sure..if someone gives me a counter argument that is valid. I even said I'll clarify if there is anything that console players are concerned about. Nothing so far except vague sentences that attack my stance rather than defending theirs. You cannot win a competition without even taking part in it. I presented reasons, counter arguments and even a proof of concept. Nothing from the other side.
So yeah, if a dev is reading this, please consider M&K for consoles. It'll be helpful to a lot more people to have fun with the game. Cheers! - Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace@FireExhauster This post and the one at the top of the previous page demonstrates that you ignore other opinions.
The main argument against KB&M on console IS the advantage it brings over controller but you just kiss that off because you have more 'evidence to stack up'.
As long as KB&M is restricted to PC crossplay, have at it. - 4 years ago
Supposedly your main concern is that the KBM users have an advantage over your play style. You think you're safe from KBM users on console even if it's not allowed in the game? I'm guessing you've heard of the 3rd party hardware that circumvents the system such as Zen Cronus and Titan 2? Not only allowing you to use a KBM on the console but also gives them the aim assist designed for controllers and the ability to load custom scripts to further the gap.
Now before you say that not many use these addons, you'd be mistaken:
BATCH #5 121763 and 124779 SOLD OUT - SHIPPING NOW BATCH #6 124780 and 131915 SOLD OUT - DUE END OF JULY BATCH #7 131916 and 132435 SOLD OUT - DUE AUGUST BATCH #8 132436 and 137397 SOLD OUT - DUE SEPT BATCH #9 137398 and above ON SALE NOW - DUE OCT That's just for the Cronus Zen, not including their other products or Titan 2. There's been demonstrations of the scripts allowing wall hacks and aimbotting. Luckily the developer of this script and Activision came to an agreement. But that doesn't mean others won't follow. But feel free to continue taking a stance against KBM because you fear the game will change. Sad to say you lost that battle years ago when controllers were connected via USB if not before.
An 'undetectable' and 'unstoppable' cheat was taken down at Activision's request | PC Gamer
If anything the KBM users coming from PCs are looking to get away from the cheats as well. To say the advancement of input device is the end of console play we'd still be using Pong paddles or the old Atari joysticks with a single button. Even jumping forward ten years to the Nintendo with the rectangular block and two buttons
The bottom line is things change and usually for the better. The consoles have always been catching up to the PC and as previously stated they are basically PC with a closed environment at this point. Anyone would tell you there is very little difference between the two categories these days in terms of hardware. AMD is even selling below grade XBox Series X APU's for users to make tiny gaming pc's.
- VOLBANKER_PC4 years agoSeasoned Ace@ReisenQuin Why do PC players always act like it’s completely impossible and out of the question for them to learn how to use a controller?
I switched from PC to console recently, so I can tell you from my own experience that it’s not really that hard, at least in Battlefield where you get all kinds of settings for console users to tweak. - 4 years ago@VOLBANKER_PC Why are you changing the subject? I don't believe anywhere on my content did I say PC players can't play with a controller nor was this the original topic. But I guess you needed to pivot... so lets pivot
I grew up with controllers however I did not grow up with playing FPS with controllers because they were on PC exclusively for the longest time. The first many years of FPS on consoles were horrible and later only tolerable with the assistance of the developers essentially allowing console players to cheat with aim assist and reduction in recoil. They added it as necessity to cover the fact that the games weren't as fun and couldn't keep up with the PC versions.
I personally would rather have credit for my shots rather than a program tracking an enemy through an object regardless to what extent or allowing my aim to be in the general area of a target yet hitting it. Yes KBM is more precise but its far less forgiving than the controllers programmed assistance to compensate for its failings.
To each their own as to how you want to play, I'm not saying you can't play with a controller on a PC. Freedom of choice, get over it and stop your gatekeeping. - VOLBANKER_PC4 years agoSeasoned Ace@ReisenQuin I didn’t mean to change the subject, but the main reason people usually give for wanting MK support is because they (think they) can’t accustom themselves to playing with a controller. So I just wanted to state that I did, and that I thought it wasn’t so hard. But fair enough, I shouldn’t have tagged you as it was more a general comment than a comment meant as a reply to what you wrote above.
- Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace@ReisenQuin The use of emulators goes beyond the advantage afforded by standard M&KB and is considered by many as cheating.
- 4 years ago
Correct..
Point being they are already readily prevalent on consoles. The concern of the consoles being invaded by KBM users should be worried more so about the emulators.
- 4 years ago@VOLBANKER_PC all good, see you on the battlefield
- Lancelot_du_Lac4 years agoSeasoned Ace@ReisenQuin Does this mean that Cronus Zen have sold 137,397 units up to the end of September? Just trying to understand the data.
- 4 years ago@Trokey66 You're repeating the same point again. KB&M is supposed to be restricted to PC crossplay. That was the point all along. I explicitly said K&M gives an advantage in a console lobby and you are repeating the same to me. You're not reading the posts man..
I wanted to avoid the topic of emulators just because they come under cheating but @ReisenQuin makes a good point and I'm going to leave it at that.
@VOLBANKER_PC People will have their own preferences that differs from others. You won't like the food I eat. And before you ask, yes I've played FPS games on my controller for like 2 months and yes, I still prefer mouse and keyboard. If you like controllers then good, have fun with it. But you can't shove food at other people's mouth and expect them to like it.
@TankerFlanker I don't think so. I never was against people who wanted to add accessibility options to the games I play. If it helps you then cool, I'm happy for them guys. I wouldn't be using them so it wouldn't affect me in any way so technically 'I wouldn't care' except feel happy for them. Really who complains about accessibility settings these days. The more the merrier. Also before you start taking the 'K&M gives advantage over console' route, read the entire post. - VOLBANKER_PC4 years agoSeasoned Ace
If you want to play with MK, buy a PC.
- 4 years ago@Lancelot_du_Lac that's my understanding. But not only have they sold that many they have presold them 3 months/batches in advance.
- 4 years ago
@VOLBANKER_PCIf you wanted to play with a controller, you can either buy a console or PC. Freedom of choice for you guys and no PC player will be against you for using a controller to play games and have fun 🙂
Heck you can even use a steering wheel if you so wish. Game doesn't support it? Try spreading the word on forums. No M&K user will be against it even though they are most definitely not going to use it.
- VOLBANKER_PC4 years agoSeasoned Ace@FireExhauster Haha! 🙂
- Lancelot_du_Lac4 years agoSeasoned Ace
@QuinReisenso doing the maths...
Chronus sold 138k emulators. Assume Xim and Titan sell roughly the same, thats 414k units. Let's round that up to 500k units.
BFV sold <8M units and, guessing Consoles account for 75% of those sales, we get 5.5M units.
But emulator players are not all playing BFV. A quick search shows that BFV is ranked 14th in popular FPS. Let's be generous and say 25% of these people are playing BFV i.e. 125K emulator owners are playing BFV on consoles.
125K/5.5M = 2.3% of the BFV player population are using Xim/Chronus/Titan.
The PUBG Community manager (RoboDanjal) stated in a Twitter post in 2018 that the usage of 3rd party devices was “statistically very low”. In my world, that means <5%. So, I’m guessing that most people would be lucky (or not) to encounter 1 user of an emulator (including Scuff controllers) in any round.I am not suggesting it is not a problem, I am suggesting it is not as big a problem as people think.
- 4 years ago
@Lancelot_du_LacTrue.. I was doing some light math in my head as well. However when you have a game that supports 150 players in an instance such as Warzone or Battlefield, even 1-2% means that you're more than likely to encounter cheaters in every match. Not saying they all have the suped up scripts but it only takes one to ruin the experience for hundreds of legitimate players.
If this was a program being released with a 1-2٪ possibility of failure to load. It would never be released and no one would buy it. It would drastically hurt their sales if they openly admitted that their application is compromised.
- Lancelot_du_Lac4 years agoSeasoned Ace@QuinReisen I see your point.
I just get the impression that people think it is much more common (emulators) than it really is! My view is that many players automatically cry 'cheat' every time they are bested on the battlefield (I have been guilty of the same). So I spectated a couple of really 'good' players. Guess what? They really are good! Their map knowledge and reactions are excellent. I now just try to be in the top half of the scoreboard of my side. - Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace
@Lancelot_du_LacPart of the issue is not knowing.....
Of course there are 'good' players out there and being beaten by them just has to be sucked up and that's fine.
But then there are the times when you don't know or worse, know that you have only been beaten by a superior input device.
There are too many players that will do anything to get an edge over others because they can't improve with 'just a controller'.
Too many players worship at the alter of the Almighty KD and other stats that they forget that above all else, gaming should be fun and fun for everyone.
Going are the days where a group of like minded people can jump on a console, have a drink and a laugh because every game is becoming a tryhard sweat fest. And these people are convincing DICE to make it more so.
Look at the hard core lite approach of BFV and constant whinging about KB&M, why can't people just have fun these days? - Lancelot_du_Lac4 years agoSeasoned Ace@Trokey66 Someone should write a psychology thesis on the mind of the gamer.
Personally, I use games as a bit of stress release and fun at the end of the day. - Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace@Lancelot_du_Lac It would be an interesting read and may surprise some people.
And as to why I game, you and me both mate. - 4 years ago
but the entire basis of your argument falls apart because controllers actually have an advantage over keyboard and mouse.. it's called "auto aim assist."
you should be more than happy to fight againt kb mouse players cause you have a huge advantage over them.... because they actually have to aim.. while all you have to do with your controller is just look "that way" and your crosshair automatically snaps onto your opponents.
i personally prefer keyboard and mouse because i like the challenge of having to actually aim. I dont want a controller that does the aiming for me with the auto aim assist legalized cheats.
fps on controller has a literal aimbot built it.. go do your research. many life long kb/mouse playes are switching to controller because the controller has the advantage. Controllers have literal built in aim bot hacks. kb mouse players should be easy pickens for a controller player like yourself.
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of course they should have kb/mouse enabled on both consoles. Telling people what input method they cant and can't use is just selfish....and LOl at the people who said "just buy a PC if you want keyboard and mouse." WHy should the superior method of input be gated behind the platform thats massively more expensive for an entry level garbo gpu Dell that explodes within a year? I've been a pc gamer my whole life. I am absolutely fed up with having to spend exponentially more money just to use the type of controls i want to use.
an argument people who play with controllers will make tho is they like being relaxed on the couch as opposed to slumped over at a desk. IF you are in that boat you should consider products such as the roccat sova. it is basically a big keyboard wood plank with a mouse pad that goes on your lap as you chill back. it is designed to play keyboard and mouse games in a relaxed couch position and the position allows anybody to aim very very nicely and comfortably with it. I recommend it to anybody who only wants to game in a laid back in the couch manner.
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