If they truly are taking "lessons learned" from BF2042's failure, they might want to start here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgHTehCBLMg

When does EA/Dice ever learn?2042 looks like someone studied BFV, with a specific focus on finding the ideas that did not go down well with players, and then built the new game around what they found.I've lost count of how many times, following a game launch, Dice promise to improve feedback. Then do the same feedback as before with a silly hat on. Listening is not what Dice does. Now, if Dice were to publish a list of what the lessons they've learned actually are, then maybe, just maybe, they could be considered to be trying.

@Psubond wrote:@TAW_Rinkokeep in mind there is also a contingent of people who have gotten into the game industry that absolutely hate old school gamers and want to burn down everything old school gamers enjoy and remake it in a away that will * everyone offAnd those people remind me of the person happily sawing away the branch of the tree they're sitting on.What PartWelsh sneeringly called legacy players are the backbone of this game. They're the people keeping servers alive so that drop in/out players have servers to play on.They're the people who create a community around these games, the people who happily contribute battlefield moments to various social media, the people who have made the battlefield series what it is...or was.By choosing to drive these people away, Dice have seriously crippled their own game, and you have to wonder who will be buying anything else from Dice after this.

@CyberDyme"Why call it a Battlefield Game, when it was obviously not and who took that decision, EA or DICE?"For the same reason the Ghost Recon name is now tattered and torn along with Assassin's Creed. Neither games being anywhere near representative of the games that made them king in their genre. Corporate heads willing to cash in on a name regardless of the end result. Look at XDefiant. They went from somehow BSing Tom Clancy's name into that title and then were finally shamed hard enough across the known community to the point that they removed it.Who decided still to keep all that clutter in a BF game now inherited from the misconceived flirtation with Battle Royal, EA or DICE?If I were a betting man? EA told DICE they had a hard date for a delivery and they didn't care how it happened. Just put Battlefield in the name. DICE heads then probably looked at each other, said "*" and then decided this was the only way to "meet" those deadlines."Who decided still to release the game despite the very substantial number of game breaking bugs and the very long list of abhorrent missing game functions, EA or DICE?"My guess...EA. They did the same thing with Anthem. It went through development hell and EA chose to force the devs to lie about it by releasing a completely fictitious vertical slice at E3, and then released a corpse of a game.Overall, I do not expect EA nor DICE to learn from this failure. My real hope is that the core audience does and waits at least a month after release of the next title before spending money. Wait for someone other than Kotaku, IGN, or any other paid shill (who doesn't even play FPS titles) not concerned about clicks more than their integrity to review the title.The people that were fired were simply the scapegoat/patsy. Someone's head needed to roll and the drew the short guillotine.If I were a betting man, DICE is potentially going to be the next studio to fall to the EA's Grim Reaper.

@-DFA-Thumpthey won't learn until we stop pre ordering and buying in first few days of launch. until the relationship between EA and customers changes to EA proving to customers that the game is good before they buy nothing will change**edit** having said that, i'm not buying the next game no matter how good it is. i didn't buy bfV cause of Sonderlund, i will skip next one because of this debacle.

@Anobix wrote:I can understand not wanting to just release the same things over and over and want to bring in new people and the difficulty of not alienating existing fans while appealing to others. But this was such a LEAP in the wrong direction that I find it hard to believe, honestly.I feel quite strongly that Dice actually decided to alienate their existing fans with 2042.It's hard to think otherwise when so many core features are missing from the game, and the entire game mechanism is set up to actively prevent groups larger than four playing together.With BFV they started to go in this direction, and were roundly criticized for it, with 2042 they've doubled down on those unpopular decisions.2042 is built purely for drop in and drop out players. It's built to drive away anyone who doesn't want to play like that.

Will EA/DICE Learn From This Failure?

41 Replies

TAW_Rinko
Seasoned Veteran
3 years ago
When does EA/Dice ever learn?
2042 looks like someone studied BFV, with a specific focus on finding the ideas that did not go down well with players, and then built the new game around what they found.
I've lost count of how many times, following a game launch, Dice promise to improve feedback. Then do the same feedback as before with a silly hat on.
Listening is not what Dice does.
Now, if Dice were to publish a list of what the lessons they've learned actually are, then maybe, just maybe, they could be considered to be trying.
Noodlesocks
3 years ago
Wouldn't surprise me if Dice Sweden doubles down on everything that made this game a failure because they didn't learn a thing from BF5's and Battlefront 2's failures.
Mackstan71
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
Hmmmm, DICE?...EA?...any comment on this video?
Psubond
Legend
3 years ago
@-DFA-Thumpthey won't learn until we stop pre ordering and buying in first few days of launch. until the relationship between EA and customers changes to EA proving to customers that the game is good before they buy nothing will change
**edit** having said that, i'm not buying the next game no matter how good it is. i didn't buy bfV cause of Sonderlund, i will skip next one because of this debacle.
UP_Hawxxeye
Legend
3 years ago
@Psubond wrote:
they won't learn until we stop pre ordering and buying in first few days of launch. until the relationship between EA and customers changes to EA proving to customers that the game is good before they buy nothing will change
This
People need to put their money where their mouth is and stop making an early purchase they regret.
BF games had been comming out in what can be considered an early beta state since at least BF3. It is just that BF2042 and BFV also had bad ideas as a core concept.
Spidder81
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
BF2042 is truly the beginning of the end for the BF franchise. All they had to do is take the best stuff from BF 3 & 4 and put it in the BF2042 setting. This would have made the ultimate BF game, but the franchise is ruined and if they carry on with this direction with specialists etc, then it truly is on its deathbed.
BF2042 is BF in name only, if they wanted to win fans back they would do what i said above, which is not going to happen due to greed and trend chasing. BF should be its own thing, no need to try copy others.
They may as well take Battlefield out of the name of this and future games, because they are not, and will be not what makes a Battlefield game
EdwinSpangler
3 years ago
@Psubond Mmmmhmmmmmmmmmm. Same.
Kattegat_Twin
3 years ago
I don't expect them to learn. With BFV, they had just finally started to do things right - the Pacific content was amazing, and I almost exclusively played those maps when they released. I was very happy with the progress BFV was making. Then they go and cancel it to work on 2042. What an insult. What a kick in the nuts. They don't give a crap.
Anobix
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Mackstan71 wrote:
Hmmmm, DICE?...EA?...any comment on this video?
I'd say there is a less than 0% chance that anyone from EA/DICE will speak to that video or the majority of others that state the same thing. There's virtually nothing to gain from it from their side.
Spidder81
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Anobixthey just going to go in the direction they want to, and not listen to everyone else trying to tell them otherwise. Battlefield will never be the same again.

Its a shame but probably the most likely situation. BF was always my main FPS, but watching it burn and turn to ash like this hurts, as I dont really have another main FPS. Unless they do a massive u-turn for the next game, then Battlefield will just always be a hollow husk of its former self and continue to fade into history.

I mean what do we know, we only been playing them for 20ish years, apparently EA knows what is best for the franchise