It's okay to complain that helis are annoying but you can't tell how helis should be nerfed if you don't play them.Attack helis (Apache, Hokum, stealth helis and Nightbird) have become less aggressive toward aircrafts because you decreased the number of them and increased the respawn time.Stealth helis have become even less aggressive toward aircrafts because you removed Repair System from them.Only those hovering at high altitude don't need flares.DICE, please play helis more.

The experience of a novice heli pilot is much different than the experience of an ace heli pilot.The anti-air experience is vastly different when going against a novice versus ace pilot.Ignoring the obvious biases and bad faith arguments this problem isn't resolved by simply playing the other side.

@L3tH4l3rR0r wrote:@Psubondin that case why have any air power at all? why have tanks? remove everything, even guns, we just run around with fists entire game. If you have problems with air power you have the tools to deal with it, most players don't want to, they want to play whatever and just expect others to take the heli down.Changing the entire game just to suit other players is unrealistic, better to have good maps with balance, Air power is apart of battlefield, if you do not like it you have other modes, other games as well. I love airpower can it be good at times yes, but it can also be very bad having 4 lis rockets spammed at you, but you can against a crazy good player with LMG then what? nerf that into the ground too ?if air can pound infantry then infantry needs to be able to shoot back effectively. it can't be a one way street. any time infantry shoots back helo pilots want whatever they are using nerfed.if air can't be shot back at with a credible threat then they shouldn't be able to farm infantry

@Psubond wrote:@SpudBug wrote:@L3tH4l3rR0rI think one thing non-pilots need to understand is the difference between being in a vehicle that your team has 1 available for 32 or 64 people and being an infantry player.You may be one of 10 people who wanted to use that vehicle.You may not be able to use it again that match if you die.You will have to wait almost 2 minutes to get it again if you die.Learning how to be effective with the attack helicopters while staying alive is very difficult.Now as an infantry player if you die, you join back in the game with your same loadout in 5 seconds. No problem. A heli pilot that dies without warning to a railgun tank that's sitting 800m away in the enemy spawn has to play a different way, or wait almost 2 minutes for the chance to play helicopter again.Taking out the sole attack aircraft that a team gets should be difficult and it should be rewarding for the enemy team.Right now it's rewarding, but it's not difficult. Theres so many "cheap deaths" that can come and give an undeserved advantage to a team by destroying the enemy helicopter.how is this for a tradeoff: make helos basically ineffective in terms of splash damage against infantry and increase the number of vehicles (including air) and the vehicles can go aftre each other. that way infantry isn't getting pounded constantly by air while they are trying to fight off infantry and ground vehicles.can also reduce effectiveness of infantry against air as well since they won't be much of a threat to the infantry if the air has to actually hit a soldier with a rocket to kill him (like with Lis's missile)That's not a bad idea!Air vehicles should be battling it out with each other for air superiority first, then worry about armor.

@MZR_926 Well I could say the same thing about tanks.I could also say "Dice stop trying to balance the game around 2 very different game modes".But will they listen, nope.

@L3tH4l3rR0r I think one thing non-pilots need to understand is the difference between being in a vehicle that your team has 1 available for 32 or 64 people and being an infantry player.You may be one of 10 people who wanted to use that vehicle.You may not be able to use it again that match if you die.You will have to wait almost 2 minutes to get it again if you die.Learning how to be effective with the attack helicopters while staying alive is very difficult.Now as an infantry player if you die, you join back in the game with your same loadout in 5 seconds. No problem. A heli pilot that dies without warning to a railgun tank that's sitting 800m away in the enemy spawn has to play a different way, or wait almost 2 minutes for the chance to play helicopter again.Taking out the sole attack aircraft that a team gets should be difficult and it should be rewarding for the enemy team.Right now it's rewarding, but it's not difficult. Theres so many "cheap deaths" that can come and give an undeserved advantage to a team by destroying the enemy helicopter.

You can't balance helis without playing them

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Wargame_Enj0yer
3 years ago
@L3tH4l3rR0r Well, Psubond said this ''infantry needs to be able to shoot back effectively''.

Stingers are not effective, neither are javelin rockets with the current flares-system (certainly not after the unlogical dart nerf), tanks and helis are vehicles, the M5 isnt anti air (and doesnt work like such if used vs air who would've guessed) and misses far too much (just like the stinger), underbarrel launcher definitely wont work and you forgot one thing. Sniping the pilot. Which is equally as hard as using the M5 vs air.

DICE needs to play against helis as inf more imo.
L3tH4l3rR0r
3 years ago
@Wargame_Enj0yer you forgot everything else the heli goes against and those are capable of doing damage, If you want for sure kills, Lis can do it and since last patch she is more stronger, you have all the tools to deal with air power, like I've been saying, better for balanced maps than favoring one or the other, being a good pilot is difficult, I say you should try to fly for 1 week solid and see how it is.
UP_Hawxxeye
Legend
3 years ago
@UNL1M1T3D_P0W3R wrote:
@ZRuff46Lis wasn't buffed to specifically give console players an advantage; the rocket worked fine on PC but never worked properly on consoles and was finally fixed (patch notes prove how busted it was on console). There's a huge difference.

How she is now is how she should've been since the start of Season 1 across all platforms. It's putting so many pilots in their place in revealing they're not as good as they think they are, hence all the crying.

If pilots can farm troopers, troopers can hunt them down with rockets. Balanced, as all things should be.
good pilots can still steer out of the way even with a condor, unless the number of rockets is overwhelming, at which case... strength in nunbers
SadConsole
3 years ago
In my experience I don't see heli's getting knocked out one after the other. I see them dominating areas they're controlling. The only thing I feel is the most effective against them is the wildcat. But there is 1 or 2 of those available and half the time people get them to just attack infantry, which is really annoying. Every game I play I now get the wildcat as soon as possible and focus on cutting out the enemy air. I always see the side that is controlling the air being the side that wins the match.
Good pilots see the wildcat and know to try and stay away, or get on a building for repair or something. Except for the little heli, if they can, they'll charge the wildcat and just fly in a tiny circle practically upside down sitting directly on top of it where the cat can't fire back and rocket it to death in a few seconds.
Moab23
3 years ago
Sometimes I wish they'd just bring back the base rearming mechanic from BF2. Taking a helo out of the area for a few moments so it has to reload at a pad. THAT would stop certain pilots just creaming every single thing in sight with ridiculous (also frequently questionable) accuracy and TTK for the entirety of the round, and also stop them just running a tight ring around a vehicle, hitting it with a shot that conveniently jams the turret or reduces mobility, and staying there until reloaded to knock it out.

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