So just found out about the rediculous decision to stick to Open Weapons, whats even more annoying about this is the shady way of dealing with it and providing false/scewed data, this is pretty much how Activision would deal with something like this. You claimed that the difference in people playing Open Vs closed Weapons was 1-2% yet on the first weekend Close weapons Conquest was hidden behind like 2 menus to even find it!On the second weekend you hid it again but this time made it a Moshpit style mode and combined it with Conquest and Breakthrough, meaning if you didnt like breakthrough then couldn't play Closed Weapons Conquest and was forced to play Open Weapons conquest. Yet still 49%-51% of the players was willing to put up with this absolute nonsense and jump through hoops to play it anyways because they wanted to finally play a real Battlefield experience for the first time in several years. So now imagine how your precious data would look if you didnt hide and deliberately make people not want to play the playlist it would have easily been the most played option by a mile. A difference of 1-2% when you made it so difficult to find and play is all the proof you need to ditch this stupid system. CM title edit

The designers knew exactly what they were doing by making open weapons the most accessible and first available game mode. It allowed them to use biased numbers to justify a position they already held.This is a behavior often referred to as "The Tyranny of the Default".

No, the class itself does not become more intuitive by closing the weapons.It answers a simple question, "What engagement distance am I supposed to engage at?". Snipers intuitively stay further away. Support given that the machine gun often has slower ADS time, or is less accurate when firing on the move, is automatically moved towards a more defensive role. Submachine guns are pushed towards aggressive CQB play at the front lines, as they traditionally have poor range, but have excellent hipfire and shooting on the move statistics. The assault rifle is somewhat ambiguous though, which due to its versatility does not push players towards a playstyle. In my opinion that's more intuitive.

I've read that this is heavily debated, but in an IGN poll I saw that the vast majority of the voters wanted a closed weapon system. According to the IGN poll, which at the time of this post has 2406 voters, 24.8% preferred open, 60.2% preferrred closed, and 15% had no preference. I think it could improve the game for numberous reasons. Stick with what made BF great.It establishes clear roles. Players immediately know what their class does, which makes teamwork and objective play more effective. It balances gameplay. Limiting weapons per class makes it easier for devs to tune guns and gadgets without breaking the game. It encourages team work. If classes specialize, you rely on your squad for different abilities, which makes matches more strategic and fun. It makes progression more fun. Unlocking and mastering class-specific weapons feels more rewarding when you can’t just pick the best gun for everything. Newer players will be more comfy. Closed classes make it easier to learn one class at a time instead of being overwhelmed by every weapon in the game.I also think it would be awesome if DICE ran an in-game poll at release to see what the community prefers. Something like:1) Closed classes (each class has its own weapons/gadgets)2) Hybrid (core weapons are locked, but limited cross-class options exist)3) Open classes (all weapons available for all classes)4) No preferenceI know you're trying to listen to the fans, so make their voices heard. I think basing the decisions on gameplay strictly on the Beta is misguided.

You people should stop quoting that, "after trying both playlists" line because it really only highlights the underhanded tactics used to skew the data. I want closed weapons but I mostly played open during the beta. I had to. Players could not get all of the rewards by playing closed.

Are you referring to this article?https://www.ea.com/games/battlefield/battlefield-6/news/community-update-play-your-wayIf so, I think you need to read the article again. You did not understand the content. The class pick rate was almost identical between the two playlists, with a 1-2% difference at most. That does not mean that the difference in people playing the open vs closed playlist is 1-2%."Lastly, another key insight from the Open Beta was that the vast majority of players, after trying both playlist types, chose to stick with Open Weapons. This reinforces our belief that Open Weapons is the right path forward for Battlefield 6. At the same time, we recognize that some players prefer the Closed Weapons experience. To support them, official Closed Weapons playlists will be available at launch."

New Open vs. Closed Weapons Feedback After Blog Post

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RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
3 days ago
The type of person who would vote on an IGN poll is the type that I wouldn't trust lol. What respectable gamer follows them anymore?
So 2,400 people voted, which isn't a very good sample size for a game that reportedly sold 1.7 million in preorders on Steam, and is projected to sell 5 million copies during the first week after it's launched.
The beta had both playlist visible, so it's clear what was more popular. This is just a matter of people not being happy with the result and trying to find a way to discredit it.
cementerydriver
New Ace
3 days ago
personally I wouldn't mind it as much if they did a better job at balancing the classes, as it brings out problems that already have been made in 2042 by adopting an open weapon system. I don't have a problem with the shotgun, I actually like where the shotgun is at and weapons overall are being worked on and I like what they are doing but I need to try it before i give my opinion on that. My issue is with the classes as they are very unbalanced and open weapons emphasize this. Assault gets 2 weapons, beacon, and ladder regardless of the path you choose. Support gets infinite ammo and heals but fire support is just better at resupplying. Engineer is decent but recon gets better what? spotting? Not to mention spec ops path is practically pointless, this bothers me and close weapons would help this issue but instead we have to play second fiddle to this and wait for someone to make it and hope we find it to play it, when we should be enjoying conquest on the first day. New players are already getting Battle Royale and the other one so y can't we enjoy the base game, it honestly frustrating specially when they do things like the ones stated in the post or comments.
I'm not saying people shouldn't play the game because despite its faults, bf6 has shown BF potential and what most of us love in this game, but its also frustrating that after all this time they are trying to bs us, and no i don't believe it was a bug. Standard conquest should have been close weapons and they should have added open weapons as optional so people can try it for what it is and if they still want to play open then they have several options to chose from.
AchillezBF
Rising Hotshot
3 days ago
The difference is that you can still play with signature weapons, even with a open weapon system. I understand it is not perfect, but at least it is better than a closed weapon system would be for me.
GrizzGolf
Seasoned Ace
3 days ago
What was the bonus again for Support and Assault?
AchillezBF
Rising Hotshot
3 days ago
Support: No movement speed penalty while using LMGs
Assault: Faster sprint-to-fire, faster switching between weapons
R1ckyDaMan19
Seasoned Ace
3 days ago
Open had a few different game modes, was always on the main page.
Closed got fobbed off to the side, and during the second beta the only way to play conquest by itself was to play open or you had to play breakthrough too as they got squished together in the ONLY closed playlist.
FSUFAN1981
Rising Rookie
3 days ago
I personally rather have closed but thinks change for all wrong reasons. People will say and do anything since generation of gaming has been really bad last three years. What else coming out after bf6 nothing so they will profit from lack of competition.
R1ckyDaMan19
Seasoned Ace
2 days ago
I called it, only way to play closed weapons is all out warfare....
This is not acceptable.

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