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I have played every battlefield since BF2. And I have some serious concerns...
Regarding the new patch that's about to be released in Battlefield 6:
u/battlefield (Reddit)
We are developing adjustments that are intended to diminish the number of XP farms taking up server space while further emphasizing playing with friends on both custom and verified experiences.
For context: From what people have said after this announcement, including some moderators, Dice plans to remove XP gains from servers with a higher ratio of bots than players.
My friends and I have been very much enjoying the game in somewhat populated community servers, against both players and bots. We have no where near a great Kill/Death ratio, and the bots provide good competition for us; As in, we die a lot, even with the bots. The players in these games are mostly like us, fun to talk to, and nothing is ever serious. Occasionally someone shows up that's extremely skilled, but it's not very often. 'Pro' players seem to stick to 'pro' modes. Mostly it's casual players in our games.
I'm super concerned about Dice's decision to take action against players like us who according to them are "Farming XP". I assure you that we are not farming XP. We are not the one person off in the distance going 200-0 in empty servers where they am the only person there. We do not join empty servers. We find servers with 10-20 players, and join in. Sure, there's sometimes more bots than real players, but the server is far from "empty". Usually there are more players than bots as the server fills up.
Casual players need to "Get Good". Or we are not allowed to play for experience anymore.
The competitive servers in the game, the ones the game puts you in by default, some of us are completely outclassed by players with much higher skill levels than ourselves. We do not have any sort of fun against these people sometimes. By the time we even think about firing our weapons we are dead. I understand that it's a multiplayer game, but for some of us, we do not have fun in those games. To play in those games, we're forced to not play with a gun, and instead use tactics to farm experience with gadgets and spotting. In those games, we end up being that person farming EXP because some of us are not skilled enough to bring a gun into battle.
The thrill that we get "helping our team" with spots, assists, or revives gets old tho. Do you think it's fun the players that end up at the top of the scoreboard with almost no kills, and all assists? Sure it helps our teams win. But it's not what the game is about. Sometimes we like to play the game and be on the front lines too, ya know? And you're saying that are we not allowed to do that anymore.
So, that means that we cannot progress anymore because a few people took it upon themselves to excessively farm XP and ruin the game for everyone? Is that fair to murder our experience because they cannot be satisfied with 'good enough' and have to resort to unfair XP progression methods?
The only reason that many of us preordered this game, and paid the full $100 was because Dice promised us all that we'd be able to play the game our way, and gain weapons, gadgets, and progression any way that we wanted to. Now they are going back on their word and breaking that promise.
If they remove EXP gained from bot players, then it will affect everyone. We'll never be able to experience the battle in a meaningful way. We'll never have a goal to work toward. And we'll have no reason to play the game. Dice seem to be taking the side of the Karen's that will whine and complain about everything. Even after removing everything, these players will still be Karens, and they'll still find something to complain about. I personally love the game. I have issues with certain things, even enjoy the competitive servers. But that's due to my own skill with a gun in the game and that's enjoyable to me. But, Dice doesn't seem to care about what the casual players think anymore. And that's very concerning. They'll just keep bending over backwards for the people with the biggest mouths. It's a pretty bad business model when you start excluding players because of the Karen's in your audience.
Personally. I do not care that some players feel the need to brag about their 10:1 Kill Death ratios on reddit / facebook to intentionally bait people into arguments. Their insane KDR doesn't affect any of us. I don't complain about it. Everyone knows how they got it, it's not like it's some kind of big fat secret. They farmed bots to get it. We all know, and for the most part, your players do not care how they got it.
If you remove the XP for all because of a very small handful of the player population. That will affect myself and my friends. And I do not like this new direction that Dice is taking.
Suggestion:
If you want to limit the number of EXP farm servers, just remove servers from the list if they don't have any population for 24 hours. Take the experience down. Oh, and bring back server hosting. There are literally huge communities of players that would be more than happy to pay you directly to keep their server up 24/7. A lot of your negative feedback is actually coming from those players who cannot pay for their own server but would be more than willing to. And are instead forced to be in the public lobby, where they cannot even access their own 'experiences' because of all of the empty servers that are filling the list.
Your problem isn't the XP farm servers, your problem is too many empty servers.
"I dont have fun because I'm not good at the game, and i don't want to get better. Instead i want to casually farm xp and its unfair they're taking that away" is all im hearing.
Why do you deserve to gain the same XP i do when im in real lobbies, playing against real players?
Everyone is so entitled and wants things to be easy. It might be a sandbox experience but its also a competitive game where people play to win.
I'll say this though. I hope they dont take away your bot lobbies. I want you to have fun as well as others. I think the entitlement is a bit out of control
- GoRingo_cz2 months agoRising Newcomer
The problem here is, BF6 is extremely unfriendly to casual players. Back in the old days, there were leagues and pro lobbies where players like you could compete, and normal players still had fun.
BF used to be a game which I could open, select my favourite kit and just play. Get some promotions, maybe some skin or something. Great example of very balanced approach is BattleBit. I was looking to BF6 so much, that it weill be BF2 remake, but when first saw the XP mechanics... I almost throwed up.
The gap between casual players (those with limited time, not will!) and gamers able to spend 4 hours per day in the game is so big, not only because of skill, but moreover because I cannot ever get any of those achivevements needed, which adds to the handicap. Everything is locked and by the time I get it I bet "Season Pass" or other money-milking method will wipe that out.
Solution: grid XP? No fun. Cheats: very popular, since its heavily rewarded. The rest of us family guys, only lobbies with half of bots so we can at least have some fun.
Hope that DICE will add something like hardcode mode, everything unlocked, fully customized and recognize "skill" by ranks or prestrigues, unlocking some skins or - like IRL, variery of ribbons and achievements. Now that would be fun.