I keep seeing the reason for the Portal xp being removed is too many bot farming servers.
Why is it bad to farm bots for attachments, I don't understand.
People are getting unlocks faster? So. Why does anyone care.
People have higher K/D's on their profile? So. Why does anyone care? Stop bots from counting as kills, easy fix.
There is obviously a reason people are bot farming, and THAT seems to be the issue: Insanely long grind to unlock attachments for each weapon, which is how you build guns for competitive play.
Remove the need for bot farming, and you significantly reduce the server issue.
Just removing the bot farms will significantly reduce your player base.
Hi - I don't have a problem with this. In BF 2042 - I always used coop / bots to level up guns to level 12 and get the attachments unlocked. Though so far I have not been able to make such a server - get the error message and if I try to join others - it just kicks me to game start page again !
It’s honestly ironic that some players join multiplayer to play against bots. The whole point of multiplayer is to compete against real people, to measure your skill against others who are trying just as hard. I’ve never understood the logic that if something is difficult, it should be cheated. Difficulty is what gives progression meaning.
Older Battlefield players will remember that farming used to be bannable. In Battlefield 2 and Battlefield 3, players who farmed kills or stats were punished because it went against the entire spirit of fair play. Stats are meant to represent your actual skill and experience.
Bots have no place in multiplayer environments.
Bingo.
It's not ironic, I can help you out there.
People play multiplayer to either play against other humans like you, with other humans, or with and against other humans.
The point of multiplayer for everyone is to have fun.
Those like you only enjoy measuring your skill against others in a game like this. Other people enjoy playing with their friends, against others for the same reason as you, or against bots for a more relaxed game. Bots absolutely have a place is multiplayer, just not your multiplayer environments, but no one is trying to force you to play against bots. Difficulty is what gives your progression meaning, not everyones.
If progression meant increasing your level and unlocking cosmetics(to flex or whatever), and improving your stats like k/d, I'd agree with you.
Unfortunately weapon attachments(and to a lesser extend weapons/gadgets), make a massive different in weapon strength, and if everyone isn't on an even playing field, it is literally not fair. It should be skill vs skill, gear power shouldn't come into it in BF.
I agree with your points for stats, but not for attachment unlocks. If everyone in your games got their weapons/attachments from farming bots, how is that bad for you? Someone playing bots doesn't affect your matches.
I can see you hate bots, but I don't understand why others liking playing against bots affects your game at all. It's not cheating, it was literally advertised as a feature for the game.
You must of really enjoyed bf3 to bf5.
As I recall, Battlefield 3 and 4 allowed you to buy shortcut kits, which opened up full access to weapons, gadgets, and weapons. Whether you buy these kits or play with friends on 'bot' servers, you're still leveling the playing field, gear wise.
Agreed, it should be skill vs skill, gear should be the same(or easy to attain)
If people want progression, make it titles and cosmetics, something that doesn't affect "power" in a match.
I completely agree with what you've said, Danisoff.
The best thing, and to please the majority, would be for EA to add the full experience back to Portal, but not including the stats against bots.
Simply playing against bots would unlock weapon attachments.
Completely agree. If I didn't need those unlocks, I wouldn't need to play against bots. I just don't have the time to try to compete with better geared people. I don't want any stats like k/d from bots to affect my pvp stats.
Some people enjoy playing against bots, let them. It literally doesn't affect my game at all.
This is a multiplayer game and getting full xp vs bots disrupts the progression integrity. What else do you really think they did this for?
"This is a multiplayer game and getting full xp vs bots disrupts the progression integrity. What else do you really think they did this for?"
Progression integrity? What the hell is that :) I think they did this as a knee-**bleep** reaction to the server quota issue.
What is your actual concern, that people will be as well geared as full-time gamers? All is does is make it skill vs skill.
So why did they do in it all the other BF games? You could literally unlock all attachments for weapons in BF2042 by playing solo against full bot lobbies. Also, they had to know this would speed up progression, but they still decided to confirm portal would have full exp and progression before launch.
No in Bf2042 you only could progress your weapons to tier 3 and then you had to play multiplayer. A lot of people like playing bots only and they advertised Bf6 with full progression on bots, which is fine cause the bots are harder than many actual players, but because of the farm exploits they disabled all progression instead of handling the farms, so now of course with good reason everyone is pissed.
For some of us who have disabilities like Charcot Marie Tooth Syndrome (CMT) That effects your nerves, your sensory and motor skills the Portals were awesome to play in. You take 5 steps on a real server and you get shot by a sniper or get into a situation where you can't think fast enough or have the reflexes to act on it, especially since there are hacks still in BF6 Arctic cheats claims to be undiscoverable. The Portal Exp was one of the man reasons i decided to try Battlefield, it's the first in the series i tried. But I prob won't play it as much now, ever since i noticed the changes and read about it i got on another game i could enjoy more. Bit of false advertising if you ask me and we should start asking for refunds based on that fact...
Complain to Government Protection Agencies: In the U.S., you can file a complaint with the FTC
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Request Refunds: Some platforms (like Steam or the PlayStation Store) may offer refunds if a game’s core features are removed or significantly altered.
.No Man's Sky: Initially criticized for missing features, but the developers later added them back, avoiding legal action.Star Wars Battlefront II: Faced backlash and regulatory scrutiny over loot boxes, leading to changes in the game and industry-wide shifts.
DICE (the developer) and EA (the publisher) have historically made statements about features, rewards, and gameplay mechanics in their games, including Battlefield titles. If they explicitly promised full XP for using official rules and modes in Battlefield Portal—for example, in official blog posts, trailers, or marketing materials—then players could argue that this was a commitment to consumers.
hi commander i have cmt too, the fact bf 6 was sold as having full progression was a life saver..finally...but now its taken away. im back to spending hours just running to my death!...what type do you have? type 1a here.
Type 2, i had it since i was a teenager but it was masked by my diabetes so didn't know till later on
They did this exact same switch with BF2042, so I can't say I am surprised. I am just shocked that they started the game out with full xp on portal with backfill bots. I was so glad they did that and thought that it was intentional to do it this way. I hate that this is the second straight BF game they advertised one way for portal and xp gains, only to pull the rug out from under the people who genuinely enjoy playing the game against bots either for enjoyment or for accessibility reasons.
The problem with bot farms is that they are not intended to play the game, people just join and stand at the bot spawn killing them. Same with AFK servers, join the server and go grocery shopping, level up while not even present at your device. Like in what world is this considered normal?! There is nothing wrong playing games against bots, as long as they play the game and not just stand there shooting them.
And the reason why anyone cares about getting the unlocks faster is, they get stronger guns, better attachements and this gives an unfair advantage. The k/d you talk about, well it looks many absolutely care about it or they wouldn't be exploiting bot farms and to then go boast around and pretend what they're not, what's even the point of stats anymore, what's even the point of playing the game if all this is being allowed.
The game is released 12 days ago and many are crying to get everything unlocked, this game isn't ment to be completed in two weeks, it's ment to enjoy and unlock for months and the more they play the faster the rewards they'll get. What will these bot farmers do when everything is unlocked in two weeks, week three they'll be bored and leave the game because there's nothing more to unlock or they'll join actual lobbies and get pawned having the highest rank and k/d looking like clowns, not that anyone cares but they sure do.
Many should remember that playing video games is about having fun, not about ego.
"The problem with bot farms is that they are not intended to play the game, people just join and stand at the bot spawn killing them. Same with AFK servers, join the server and go grocery shopping, level up while not even present at your device. There is nothing wrong playing games against bots, as long as they play the game and not just stand there shooting them."
You described what a bot farm is, but I'm not clear on why it's bad. How is it affecting your gameplay?
I played against bots to grind away at weapon attachments. It wasn't an afk server or anything, I still played, but I wouldn't need to play bots if there wasn't a massive grind unless I felt like a more chill night shooting. It does not impact anyone else's game except for stats - which I agree bot kills shouldn't count - and clogging up server quotas.
"And the reason why anyone cares about getting the unlocks faster is, they get stronger guns, better attachements and this gives an unfair advantage. The k/d you talk about, well it looks many absolutely care about it or they wouldn't be exploiting bot farms and to then go boast around and pretend what they're not, what's even the point of stats anymore, what's even the point of playing the game if all this is being allowed."
Yes, the advantage of people who play like it's a full time job absolutely gives them an advantage. Casuals need to bot farm to level the playing field so it is fair. If people are bot farming for k/d, they have bigger issues.
"What will these bot farmers do when everything is unlocked in two weeks, week three they'll be bored and leave the game because there's nothing more to unlock..."
I've never played Battlefield for unlocks. I play for fun. Initially it is cool to unlock new weapons and test them out, but now the testing is locked behind an insanely big attachment grind. Some people have the time for that, others don't.
"Many should remember that playing video games is about having fun, not about ego."
Agreed. I think that's why so many people are upset they can't legitimately play against bots and not progress like everyone else playing the game. Some people farm bots to get the gear to put them on equal footing in pvp, others devote every day to it. In the end if everyone has all their attachments unlocked, it then becomes skill vs skill.
You are missing my point and viewing this based on your gameplay, i absolutely don't say playing against bots is bad, i enjoy it to. There is a huge difference between playing against bots and bot farming as i mentioned, keep in mind, all weapon, attachements, challenges where available until today for all progression in bot lobbies, EA removed it because bot farms were exploiting it, here is how it affects, you, me and everyone because they just stood there in a bot farm at spawn point shooting bots to unlock everything.
- They now took away all progression from everyone who loved playing bots. Many people only want to play bots, many people only can play bots, so the result of these exploiters is that they all have a useless game and will never get any attachements unlocks and can't do the challenges to unlock the perks. - They have an unfair advantage running with fully equipped top tier weapons that normally and will take us months to unlock. - They unlocked all gadgets. Again unfair advantage being able to use all the stuff no one has yet.
Do you understand the huge impact this has on everyone who actually play the game? Bot farms are there only to exploit and the ones farming only care to get stronger weapons, the top tier attachements, less recoil because no one has it and that's the only way these losers can get a kill on the multiplayer map.
What they did is also made the class tiers completely irrelevant, in the past people looked up to top tier gamers, people grinded their butts of to become Elite, You did it all, you are a veteran, you are a true gamers..Now, it means absolutely nothing no more.
I don't blame the people who do it, they're probably kids and the ones older than 14 have a brain the size of a fruit fly. I blame EA for allowing this to happen, they have literally managed to ruin their own game in less than two weeks.
"I think that's why so many people are upset they can't legitimately play against bots and not progress like everyone else playing the game."
So understand that no one is upset with people playing against bots, nor progressing against bots. And they definitely need to bring back progression in bot games and deal with this bot farming issue in a propper way.
My main issue is that some of the challenges and assignments are very tedious. I've been trying for 2 days to farm 300 suppressions with an LMG. But at any time I peek out from behind cover for long enough to get a suppression I get shot by a sniper with a range finder that basically can't miss. I'm only halfway with the challenge, and I am very tired of being killed by snipers who never even try to play the objective but just go for headshots, even though their score is only halfway up the scoreboard..... At least in bot games I could have done that slightly faster, because bot teams don't consist out of 50% snipers.
Well you can do your challenge on smaller maps not suitable for snipers, and also, these big challenges are not ment to be cleared in one or two days. Just take your time, enjoy the game. If you make it feel more like a job than a game, you’ll start hating it and quit altogether.
the problem is people are upset that people are inflating their stats and having a higher level despite it not actually meaning they are a better player, a lvl 80 bot farmer will still get stomped by a lvl 6 rocking an SGX. The solution? Easy, Remove the xp from bot killing but keep weapon and challenge progression then everyone is happy. I don't play bots, They are boring for me but I see the outrage. If Battlefields main selling point for a lot of people was that Portal would have full exp and progression then to renege on that after people have handed over their money is not fair to those players who solely purchased the game with the expectation of said Portal experience.
Challenges shouldn't be doable vs bots.
Someone will have the round of their life completing some of them and some body who boosted it vs bots will rock up with the same stuff, that doesn't sit right.
Have you ever played a bot game in Bf6? They are hard and will definitely own you at one point, so bot games are definitely suitable for all progression, the system is fair if you play the game, what's not fair and was happening is 5 or 10 players standing around a bot spawn killing 400 bots each.
There are many players who only play against bots, why shouldn't they be allowed to be able to unlock everything at normal time pace and enjoy their game like everyone else the way they choose to, it doesn't affect the game in any way, What affects the game now in the early stage is these noobs killing 400 bots a round unlocking all the powerful weapons with the only intent to have an unfair advantage in the multiplayer games. They're just a bunch of insecure noobs, the same kind that buy cheats because they're butthurt someone kills them in a videogame.
I think there's a major difference in bot farms and playing against bots. I can see an issue with proper bot farms, like no weapons and they just stand there or run at you. And definitely ban every AFK server. But they took the nuclear option towards bots and killed a MAJOR draw of the game for a lot of people. Idk anybody that plays solo/bots who would mind if bot kills didn't count towards stats. Like yeah I can drop a bot at 600 yards, we all know its not the same as being against a real person. No worries. But to not allow the game to be playable unless you're so sweaty you need to shower, is just moronic.
Static option for bots should not be a choice when creating any server.
When creating a unofficial one. You can have the bots set to static. They dont move. You can also remove all their weapons.You just sit there and kill them over and over in the same spot as they respawn.
These are the xp farms they are talking about. Not the servers where the bots are moving and shooting back.
Yet both are getting punished for the static bot xp farm servers.
Remove the static option and alot of these xp farm servers will go away.
But what does EA do? They keep the static option but remove the xp totally. This will just drop the player count.
I like playing bots with my boys. They get owned vs people and its not fun for them. So when they play with me we play vs bots.
