AA buff is an overkill
I have been flying lately, trying to unlock the new planes (I have maxed out all the rest). And I have noticed that stationary AA is disgustingly strong now. They punch you down from the sky in no t...
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I didn't see AA change too much , maybe their damage lower than before ? You can escape by dive as fast as you can to low altitude and find covers on the ground , the real problem is the range of AA is too long , dog fight become boring after that . But I did beat one station AA by drop bomb from Mosquito at high altitude , anyway it took me a lot of time .
I think decrease the range of AA to from current distance to its 90% or decrease some damage to distance target will be better . The most important thing is hide the station AA position information especially the empty one to pilot .
By the way do you notice the 8 rockets for planes in Pacific theater are weaker than before ? They can't even finish a tank with half HP .
I'm not sure why the experience of someone who is in the top 0.1% is not valid but I'm going to put my 2cents in anyway.
Yes the flieger can one shot planes if you're coming in too low and more importantly too predictably. If you're flyong very laterally all game, then you open yourself up to be just as much a sitting duck as the SAA.
You need to constantly be changing direction, altitude, speeds, etc. Always look behind you, go into 1st person and manually look around left and right, keep an eye on the minimap and scoreboard.
Situational awareness is such an important aspect to flying and unfortunately when the ' New Generation' pilots who only started flying during the Pacific Storm Battlefarm Simulator, did not learn how to fly properly.
The abuse given to infantry for months by extremely overpowered aircraft, while AA and fliegers did nothing made many of these new pilots weak. From the release of BFV AAs have been altered so many times while the planes were made weaker and weaker.
During March - June 2019, AAs would down fighters in 0.8seconds and bombers 1.4seconds as calculated on many YouTube videos of testing.
During August 2019 aiming reticles were off by nearly 3 plane lenghts and bombers outflew fighters.
Up until December fighters didn't have bombing reticles so we had to learn how to control speed and angle to know where our bombs would land and we were accurate 95% of the time.
The AAs bow while they have extreme range are not as bad as they once were damage wise, now is the time where situational awareness/skill will dominate and where those who only used flying to farm will learn to either sink or swim.
AAs can be beat, fliegers can be avoided and planes can be leveled.
Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
Yes the flieger can one shot planes if you're coming in too low and more importantly too predictably. If you're flyong very laterally all game, then you open yourself up to be just as much a sitting duck as the SAA.
You need to constantly be changing direction, altitude, speeds, etc. Always look behind you, go into 1st person and manually look around left and right, keep an eye on the minimap and scoreboard.
Situational awareness is such an important aspect to flying and unfortunately when the ' New Generation' pilots who only started flying during the Pacific Storm Battlefarm Simulator, did not learn how to fly properly.
The abuse given to infantry for months by extremely overpowered aircraft, while AA and fliegers did nothing made many of these new pilots weak. From the release of BFV AAs have been altered so many times while the planes were made weaker and weaker.
During March - June 2019, AAs would down fighters in 0.8seconds and bombers 1.4seconds as calculated on many YouTube videos of testing.
During August 2019 aiming reticles were off by nearly 3 plane lenghts and bombers outflew fighters.
Up until December fighters didn't have bombing reticles so we had to learn how to control speed and angle to know where our bombs would land and we were accurate 95% of the time.
The AAs bow while they have extreme range are not as bad as they once were damage wise, now is the time where situational awareness/skill will dominate and where those who only used flying to farm will learn to either sink or swim.
AAs can be beat, fliegers can be avoided and planes can be leveled.
Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
I really do appreciate your imput or advice how to be a better pilot. But this discussion is not about that!
It is about general game balance experienced by the "general public" who has probably 20-100h flight time. (I probably have around 200-300h with previous titles).At this level flying should feel fair and enjoyable. Nothing gives reason for tanks and planes to have such a big skill gap to operate.
The harder you make planes to fly (by buffing AA), the more abuse will infantry experience from tanks because there is no air support.The 4x exploding cannon should have never been introduced to planes. Infantry farming is cheap.
One-shot fliegers are outragious, what if I want to zipp by just above the enemy troops head, just to scare them? If someone is camping out with a flieger, you can't!
Oh and didn't somebody just say that if AA starts shooting you, you should fly right above ground??
Also the only way to counter AA is with rockets now. If you fly over trying to bomb them, you are 100% dead. So basically all planes which have no rockets are trash now.
- @Real_Noobalishus I appreciate that there is unlikely to be large scale changes- if ti was blue sky- how would you balance the equation?
Bombers>INfantry>AA> Fighter>Bombers
IN other words what factors would you suggest changing so that the balance was better? Right now AA does seem to dominate entire maps (Arras as one example, but also Al Sundan, Narvick and Hamada), leading to less player engagement in planes. NOw I agree great pilots - of which you are one- can counter this- but this means piloting because a skillset and thus an aspect of the game limited to few (please note I am not including myself in thyis- I am an ok pilot at best- and prefer to go snipe the aa so other players on my team can fly). This impact means it lessens the interaction and fun for many players.- @aztec1289 Personally I didn't mind the way it was in previous titles, where there was set vehicle spawns.
Infantry always had the ability to have stingers or other rocket launched weaponry along with Stationary AA's but the ability to only have 1x MAA, 1x Attack plane and 1x Fighter meant there wasn't an over abuse of a specific vehicle.
On maps such as Panzerstorm, a team can spawn 3 MAA's with a range covering 66% of the map and be accompanied by SAA with the same range on multiple objectives.
If they really wanted to, a team could spawn 6x MAA's and use 7x SAA. 13x AA's each with a 66% map range is far too excessive for a map that only allows 2 aircraft per side. This may seem fanciful but I have personally been in a number of servers where this happens during a full cap and you cannot spawn in without immediately being destroyed due to the range from closer based SAA's
Having the ability to spawn 1x MAA, 1x bomber and 1x fighter would help ease the constant need to swing the nerf pendulum between Air/Ground, however I do realize this would also restrict freedoms in the vehicle choices people could use.
As of right now if it was up to me I would:
- Keep the AA damage but reduce the range between 25% - 50% (the Fliegers 600m range is perfect as strafing requires you to be within 600m due to bullet convergence, the AA doesn't need twice that distance)
- Increase the time to overheat by 10% forcing AA gunners to be more tactful and burst fire rather than spray the target.
- Tighten the flak burst to no more than 10m of the aircraft.
- Remove the resupply points from spawns, forcing the players to venture out into the battlefield where they run the same risk of being blown up just like every other tank.
Overall the AA's aren't that bad individually but once you get 2 or more relentless players it can become a nightmare just trying to leave spawn while they sit comfortable next to a resupply point protected in their spawn from other tanks, panzerfousts and C4.I think the issue is the number of airceaft and aas. I dont agree with range but do agree with damage.
Bf 4s balance with a maximum of 4 specific aircraft ( atta k chopper, little bird, gajet, aa jet) meant the air v ground and vice versa was easy to balance. Bf v opened up a host of issues withthe diversity of ga and aa options.
Now its, August most of the pro Pilots left the game cause the fliegerfaust still oneshot fighters and the AA spam gets out of control .
Im on the 0,1% of the pilots in bf5 tracker.
Nice work Dice
- @DanielNussi777 Unfortunately that is correct, many pilots have left due to the heavy swing towards AAs with no signs of an adjustment coming. AAs as a whole aren't that bad but once you get 2 or more in tandem, there aren't many places left to fly due to the unrivalled range they have
