AA buff is an overkill
I have been flying lately, trying to unlock the new planes (I have maxed out all the rest). And I have noticed that stationary AA is disgustingly strong now. They punch you down from the sky in no t...
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I'm not sure why the experience of someone who is in the top 0.1% is not valid but I'm going to put my 2cents in anyway.
Yes the flieger can one shot planes if you're coming in too low and more importantly too predictably. If you're flyong very laterally all game, then you open yourself up to be just as much a sitting duck as the SAA.
You need to constantly be changing direction, altitude, speeds, etc. Always look behind you, go into 1st person and manually look around left and right, keep an eye on the minimap and scoreboard.
Situational awareness is such an important aspect to flying and unfortunately when the ' New Generation' pilots who only started flying during the Pacific Storm Battlefarm Simulator, did not learn how to fly properly.
The abuse given to infantry for months by extremely overpowered aircraft, while AA and fliegers did nothing made many of these new pilots weak. From the release of BFV AAs have been altered so many times while the planes were made weaker and weaker.
During March - June 2019, AAs would down fighters in 0.8seconds and bombers 1.4seconds as calculated on many YouTube videos of testing.
During August 2019 aiming reticles were off by nearly 3 plane lenghts and bombers outflew fighters.
Up until December fighters didn't have bombing reticles so we had to learn how to control speed and angle to know where our bombs would land and we were accurate 95% of the time.
The AAs bow while they have extreme range are not as bad as they once were damage wise, now is the time where situational awareness/skill will dominate and where those who only used flying to farm will learn to either sink or swim.
AAs can be beat, fliegers can be avoided and planes can be leveled.
Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
Yes the flieger can one shot planes if you're coming in too low and more importantly too predictably. If you're flyong very laterally all game, then you open yourself up to be just as much a sitting duck as the SAA.
You need to constantly be changing direction, altitude, speeds, etc. Always look behind you, go into 1st person and manually look around left and right, keep an eye on the minimap and scoreboard.
Situational awareness is such an important aspect to flying and unfortunately when the ' New Generation' pilots who only started flying during the Pacific Storm Battlefarm Simulator, did not learn how to fly properly.
The abuse given to infantry for months by extremely overpowered aircraft, while AA and fliegers did nothing made many of these new pilots weak. From the release of BFV AAs have been altered so many times while the planes were made weaker and weaker.
During March - June 2019, AAs would down fighters in 0.8seconds and bombers 1.4seconds as calculated on many YouTube videos of testing.
During August 2019 aiming reticles were off by nearly 3 plane lenghts and bombers outflew fighters.
Up until December fighters didn't have bombing reticles so we had to learn how to control speed and angle to know where our bombs would land and we were accurate 95% of the time.
The AAs bow while they have extreme range are not as bad as they once were damage wise, now is the time where situational awareness/skill will dominate and where those who only used flying to farm will learn to either sink or swim.
AAs can be beat, fliegers can be avoided and planes can be leveled.
Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
@Real_Noobalishus I appreciate that there is unlikely to be large scale changes- if ti was blue sky- how would you balance the equation?
Bombers>INfantry>AA> Fighter>Bombers
IN other words what factors would you suggest changing so that the balance was better? Right now AA does seem to dominate entire maps (Arras as one example, but also Al Sundan, Narvick and Hamada), leading to less player engagement in planes. NOw I agree great pilots - of which you are one- can counter this- but this means piloting because a skillset and thus an aspect of the game limited to few (please note I am not including myself in thyis- I am an ok pilot at best- and prefer to go snipe the aa so other players on my team can fly). This impact means it lessens the interaction and fun for many players.
Bombers>INfantry>AA> Fighter>Bombers
IN other words what factors would you suggest changing so that the balance was better? Right now AA does seem to dominate entire maps (Arras as one example, but also Al Sundan, Narvick and Hamada), leading to less player engagement in planes. NOw I agree great pilots - of which you are one- can counter this- but this means piloting because a skillset and thus an aspect of the game limited to few (please note I am not including myself in thyis- I am an ok pilot at best- and prefer to go snipe the aa so other players on my team can fly). This impact means it lessens the interaction and fun for many players.
- @aztec1289 Personally I didn't mind the way it was in previous titles, where there was set vehicle spawns.
Infantry always had the ability to have stingers or other rocket launched weaponry along with Stationary AA's but the ability to only have 1x MAA, 1x Attack plane and 1x Fighter meant there wasn't an over abuse of a specific vehicle.
On maps such as Panzerstorm, a team can spawn 3 MAA's with a range covering 66% of the map and be accompanied by SAA with the same range on multiple objectives.
If they really wanted to, a team could spawn 6x MAA's and use 7x SAA. 13x AA's each with a 66% map range is far too excessive for a map that only allows 2 aircraft per side. This may seem fanciful but I have personally been in a number of servers where this happens during a full cap and you cannot spawn in without immediately being destroyed due to the range from closer based SAA's
Having the ability to spawn 1x MAA, 1x bomber and 1x fighter would help ease the constant need to swing the nerf pendulum between Air/Ground, however I do realize this would also restrict freedoms in the vehicle choices people could use.
As of right now if it was up to me I would:
- Keep the AA damage but reduce the range between 25% - 50% (the Fliegers 600m range is perfect as strafing requires you to be within 600m due to bullet convergence, the AA doesn't need twice that distance)
- Increase the time to overheat by 10% forcing AA gunners to be more tactful and burst fire rather than spray the target.
- Tighten the flak burst to no more than 10m of the aircraft.
- Remove the resupply points from spawns, forcing the players to venture out into the battlefield where they run the same risk of being blown up just like every other tank.
Overall the AA's aren't that bad individually but once you get 2 or more relentless players it can become a nightmare just trying to leave spawn while they sit comfortable next to a resupply point protected in their spawn from other tanks, panzerfousts and C4.I think the issue is the number of airceaft and aas. I dont agree with range but do agree with damage.
Bf 4s balance with a maximum of 4 specific aircraft ( atta k chopper, little bird, gajet, aa jet) meant the air v ground and vice versa was easy to balance. Bf v opened up a host of issues withthe diversity of ga and aa options.
@GUTENTAAAAGnice video like always :D
