Liang Drone-> Liang’s drone cannot be moved once deployed Laser Drones-> Speed changed from Fastest to Faster-> Reduced Harvester damage to 45-> Reduced Structure damage to 60 MSV-> Attack speed increase buff reduced from 75% to 50%-> Reload speed percent increases buff reduced to 0.55-> Health reduced from 2250 to 1750 Catalyst Gunship-> Normal attack interval reduced to 1600 ms (Faster default attack)-> Gas grenade interval reduced to 3600 ms (Faster gas grenade timing)-> Initial Attack delay reduced to 0.08 Orca Bomber-> Reworked the damage reduction over distance for the unit. Damage fall-off is greater as the distance increases. Razorback-> Attack cooldown increased to 0.4 (Attack speed nerfed) -> Health reduced to 1500-> Default damage reduced to 70 Fanatics-> Overall buff duration reduced to 5.0 secs-> Reload Speed Boost changed from 25% to 10% -> Attack Speed buff reduced from 0.65 to 0.45 -> Movement speed percent buff reduced from 40% to 25% (Overall buffs provided are nerfed) Grenadier -> Tiberium cost increased from 60 to 70-> Speed increased from Average to Fast Kane-> Default damage increased from 2000 to 3000 Shatterer -> Reduced Infantry damage to 180-> Attack interval reduced from 1.3 to 0.7 secs (Increased Attack speed)-> Speed increased from Average to Fast-> Duration of Stun buff reduced from 950ms to 200ms-> Reduced structure damage to 210 Mammoth Tank-> Speed changed from Slow to Slowest -> Tiberium cost decreased to 230 Zone Troopers-> Health reduced to 1000 to 875-> Reduced Infantry damage to 90 Phantom-> Health increased from 1650 to 1665-> Reload time increased from 6500ms to 8000ms Titan-> Reduced damage to Infantry to 180 Rockworm-> Reduced Infantry damage to 90 Kodiak-> Reduced Infantry damage to 150Centurion-> Reduced Infantry damage to 100

@44jvqy7ve65p You can find some of the percentages here - https://www.reddit.com/r/cncrivals/comments/i8axyq/balance_patch_august_2020/

Unfortunately, another balance patch that has some okay elements, but that ultimately falls short of what should have happened.We have had a broken Tiberium economy for a very long time now. Double harvesters give the player a completely insane amount of Tiberium after 90 to 120 seconds have passed. This should have been changed long time ago. Why is absolutely nothing being done about this severe problem? ☹️

@EA_Avinash Sooo good!!! Love it (except liang nerf) thank you so much😍🌹🌹

@EA_Avinash RIP GDI, liang nerf is so much, drones but cant fly, u must be joking, and now Nod will rule fhe GDI

Did you ever play against a highly ranked opponent who plays fortress deck? It it near to unbeatable if you don't have a dedicated counter deck. And even then it is very hard.I think both the nerf and the weak spot is good. So you have to protect it better. That was one of my biggest complaints with MSV. That you can hardly kill it. It took about two orca volleys. And they were dead too because of slingshot, if they even managed to reach it. So you traded 70+(n*70) to kill it. I've seen plenty of high tier games with MSV. The amount of games where the MSV actually got killed can be counted on one hand you've shaken with Edward Scissor-hands.MSV has to setup and is a slingshot for other units from this moment on. A fanatic has to be in the right place and then die. Much more micro is required. But arguably they needed a nerf too.I think what breaks fortress players the most, is the liang nerf. I'd be okay with saying farewell to fortress. It is incredibly annoying to play against.@EA_Avinash I'm good with the patch.Would be nice to see economic rework in the future, so tech cant't be spammed anymore. Building two harvs blind and then stalling the pads with cheap + slow to kill units like drones just to flood the pads with 4 different kinds of tech units after a while, should not be possible.

EA_Avinash

EA Staff (Retired)

6 years ago

Balance Patch August 2020 - Notes

Liang Drone
-> Liang’s drone cannot be moved once deployed

Laser Drones
-> Speed changed from Fastest to Faster
-> Reduced Harvester damage to 45
-> Reduced Structure damage to 60

MSV
-> Attack speed increase buff reduced from 75% to 50%
-> Reload speed percent increases buff reduced to 0.55
-> Health reduced from 2250 to 1750

Catalyst Gunship
-> Normal attack interval reduced to 1600 ms (Faster default attack)
-> Gas grenade interval reduced to 3600 ms (Faster gas grenade timing)
-> Initial Attack delay reduced to 0.08

Orca Bomber
-> Reworked the damage reduction over distance for the unit. Damage fall-off is greater as the distance increases.

Razorback
-> Attack cooldown increased to 0.4 (Attack speed nerfed)
-> Health reduced to 1500
-> Default damage reduced to 70

Fanatics
-> Overall buff duration reduced to 5.0 secs
-> Reload Speed Boost changed from 25% to 10%
-> Attack Speed buff reduced from 0.65 to 0.45
-> Movement speed percent buff reduced from 40% to 25% (Overall buffs provided are nerfed)

Grenadier

-> Tiberium cost increased from 60 to 70
-> Speed increased from Average to Fast

Kane
-> Default damage increased from 2000 to 3000

Shatterer
-> Reduced Infantry damage to 180
-> Attack interval reduced from 1.3 to 0.7 secs (Increased Attack speed)
-> Speed increased from Average to Fast
-> Duration of Stun buff reduced from 950ms to 200ms
-> Reduced structure damage to 210

Mammoth Tank
-> Speed changed from Slow to Slowest
-> Tiberium cost decreased to 230

Zone Troopers
-> Health reduced to 1000 to 875
-> Reduced Infantry damage to 90

Phantom
-> Health increased from 1650 to 1665
-> Reload time increased from 6500ms to 8000ms

Titan
-> Reduced damage to Infantry to 180

Rockworm
-> Reduced Infantry damage to 90

Kodiak
-> Reduced Infantry damage to 150

Centurion
-> Reduced Infantry damage to 100

22 Replies

MRM1015
6 years ago
@EA_Avinash Sooo good!!! Love it (except liang nerf) thank you so much😍🌹🌹
44jvqy7ve65p
6 years ago
@EA_Avinash thanks can you please add % change or form to as before
kindly will we see new units soon
thanks for your kind reply
EA_Avinash
EA Staff (Retired)
6 years ago
@44jvqy7ve65p You can find some of the percentages here - https://www.reddit.com/r/cncrivals/comments/i8axyq/balance_patch_august_2020/
44jvqy7ve65p
6 years ago
@EA_Avinash thanks what about kindly will we see new units soon?
thanks for your kind reply
phoorigin
6 years ago
@EA_Avinash When are you going to weaken Avatar instead of always weakening Mammoth Tank?
KroozaNob
6 years ago
Interesting nerf to the MSV, wonder why it went through these changes.
It's a very difficult unit to set up, doesn't attack and now can't even tank some damage, I fail to see why it's selective buff needed such a hard nerf like the fanatics, which are considerably more flexible AND cheaper....
belagabego
6 years ago
@EA_Avinash RIP GDI, liang nerf is so much, drones but cant fly, u must be joking, and now Nod will rule fhe GDI
MrButthead86
6 years ago
Did you ever play against a highly ranked opponent who plays fortress deck? It it near to unbeatable if you don't have a dedicated counter deck. And even then it is very hard.
I think both the nerf and the weak spot is good. So you have to protect it better. That was one of my biggest complaints with MSV. That you can hardly kill it. It took about two orca volleys. And they were dead too because of slingshot, if they even managed to reach it. So you traded 70+(n*70) to kill it. I've seen plenty of high tier games with MSV. The amount of games where the MSV actually got killed can be counted on one hand you've shaken with Edward Scissor-hands.
MSV has to setup and is a slingshot for other units from this moment on. A fanatic has to be in the right place and then die. Much more micro is required. But arguably they needed a nerf too.
I think what breaks fortress players the most, is the liang nerf. I'd be okay with saying farewell to fortress. It is incredibly annoying to play against.
@EA_Avinash
I'm good with the patch.
Would be nice to see economic rework in the future, so tech cant't be spammed anymore. Building two harvs blind and then stalling the pads with cheap + slow to kill units like drones just to flood the pads with 4 different kinds of tech units after a while, should not be possible.
Mister_Crac
6 years ago
Unfortunately, another balance patch that has some okay elements, but that ultimately falls short of what should have happened.
We have had a broken Tiberium economy for a very long time now. Double harvesters give the player a completely insane amount of Tiberium after 90 to 120 seconds have passed. This should have been changed long time ago. Why is absolutely nothing being done about this severe problem? ☹️
ChappasUK
6 years ago
I play the fortress deck (master/tib league), and I can tell you if you don't know how to counter it you're playing the game wrong.
Going against a mix of unit types makes my fortress almost worthless because having 2 harvesters and then needing to make MSV, Slingshot, Shatterer and MLRS is almost impossible with pop cap. So you're always weak to something.
If an opponent lets me get my fortress setup then they deserve to lose.
BTW, if you jump on the pad as your first move, the first missile will fire just as I build my 3rd unit. So harv, harv, msv, missle fires against me. You think that's a powerful deck?
I only win because people see me double harv and just watch my harvesters working instead of instantly jumping on a pad.