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EcksTheory's avatar
11 years ago

Denuvo DRM destroying hard drives!

"Resource monitors for RAM and CPU consumption numbers, memory viewer for trying to figure out what makes it tick and track address issues, SSD analysis tools for those delicious dead blocks and data tracking. Wanna know average number of times parts of LotF exe code are fcked around between RAM and HDD in the span of one hour? 150000 copy/write iterations. That's about 10000 times more than usual. DRM constantly decrypts the game code into the memory and encrypts it back. This is the most bull**** usage of encryption software I've ever stumbled upon. And even though code chunks are quite small (couple of kilobytes per go at worst), they are all stored in one memory block. And playing the game for 4-8 hours(depends on SSD quality) means that you can say goodbye to that block." Source: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index...5#post-3599880

So check your install folder for Origin games. You might want to switch over to your hard disk drive with spinning iron plates instead of sacrificing the life of your solid state drive too early. Denuvo is also used by "Lords of the Fallen" and FIFA 15 so far. I think a lot of games will follow. Actually, this would be a good time for crackers to circumvent this protection method since Denuvo will actively destroy hardware over time. I am waiting for the first complaints and lawsuits due to destroyed hardware caused by Denuvo. Sony should probably put some money on the side for those lawsuits. Source: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index...5#post-3599880

For anyone that isn't following this thing, Denuvo is a DRM that encrypts and decrypts itself while you play the game so it's extremely difficult to crack. If these numbers are true, SSD users are f****d and it isn't doing anyone any favors with their normal hard drives.

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So my question is, are EA happy to destroy peoples harddrives just so a few people cant steal their games? It sure is a nice way to reward customers

18 Replies

  • Fred_vdp's avatar
    Fred_vdp
    Hero+
    11 years ago

    @YoungBomsky wrote:

    Look, my proof is that this comes straight from the mouth of Crucial tech support. I don't know the specifics but I trust Crucial.


    That's hardly proof. They could very well be wrong.


  • @YoungBomsky wrote:

    Look, my proof is that this comes straight from the mouth of Crucial tech support. I don't know the specifics but I trust Crucial.


    The tech you talked to is guessing/repeating rumors/pointing blame away from own products.

    There is no, nada, ZERO evidence published to support this claim. None.  Anywhere.

  • YoungBomsky's avatar
    YoungBomsky
    11 years ago

    If you tell me how to test it, I will on my computer. 

    Edit: after reading more, it seems like you may be right. My apologies for bringing up this issue. I was clearly not as informed about it as you guys are. 

    Cheers!

  • I'm still trying to get to the bottom of this, because I'm confused about whether or not this is a problem. I emailed Crucial for more information, and here's the pertinent part of the message they sent me:

    "Essentially the way the Denuvo DRM works with Dragon age Inquisition is it's constantly encrypting and decrypting the data for games as you play it, so instead of reading data directly off the SSD as fast as possible, your drive is being hampered by the speed at which your CPU can encrypt and decrypt data; in the data industry we call this software encryption, and it can severely hamper drive performance.

    There is unfortuantley little you can do to address this issue, and it most likely have similar performance with any type of SSD. Your drive appears to benchmark fine, so we know there isn't any limitation or fault in the drive itself, the problem again lays with the Denuvo encryption that EA decided to implement with this game. I have read forums post people have made in response the Denuvo an they all approach the issue not in terms of performance, but "damaging SSDs", where EA confirms that Denuvo will not damage SSDs, but I can find no official statement by EA with regards to how their DRM software effects performance. I can tell you that any type of software encryption will drastically decrease the performance of any drive, including SSDs, seeing that Denuvo has been shown to use encryption it is only natural that it would result in less than expected game load times.

    This all unfortuantley means that an SSD will at best give you only marginal benefits on loads times, compared to other types of games that do not use encryption DRMs; your load times and SSDs are entirely limited by the CPU's ability to handle the encryption load, and how the encryption software is setup to utilize system performance."

    I played DA: I for about 15 minutes, loading between 4 different areas. I noticed Windows did not report any significant disk activity in the task manager during this time. The SSD, however, said that there was 3.57GB written during that 15 minute span. 

    I don't know what to make of that. 

  • mcsupersport's avatar
    mcsupersport
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    11 years ago

    One thing to help speed up on some of the major load screens is putting Origin in Offline mode.  You can cut between 3-30 seconds of load time depending on your internet, where you are going, and what logging of the game data Origin is doing on the Keep/EA.  I don't have SSDs, but I found with my HardDrives that it could take 75 seconds to load into a game with Origin online, and 45 seconds with it offline.  Traveling between most areas meant 40-45s loads offline and usually 45-50s online.  The main savings was going to Haven and Skyhold, with 15-30s savings during that load.


  • @YoungBomsky wrote:


    I played DA: I for about 15 minutes, loading between 4 different areas. I noticed Windows did not report any significant disk activity in the task manager during this time. The SSD, however, said that there was 3.57GB written during that 15 minute span. 

    I don't know what to make of that. 


    This is all the writing that the game does when you enter areas, have interactions, acquire items, etc.  Nothing to do with Denuvo.

    And just as Crucial's response to you indicated, lag induced from en-/decryption is at the CPU, not the drive, whether that drive is an SSD or spinning platters.

  • Anonymous's avatar
    Anonymous
    10 years ago

    are you a moron? MOST gamers install their most played games on their SSD for extremely faster loading times, this is very common knowledge.

  • Fred_vdp's avatar
    Fred_vdp
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    10 years ago

    Resurrecting an old thread just to call people names is not proper forum conduct.