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- mariohomoh3 years agoHero (Retired)
Hey! There's no sound in the video? It'd be helpful to be able to hear the tyres working.
Also your setup. Knowing how you set up your car would be useful so we could know what to expect from it handling wise.
That said, I see no modulation from the brakes. They're either on or off. About the same for the throttle except for a moment of half throttle application.
It's key to have the proper pedal application to keep the car balanced throughout the corner. All phases of a corner, entry mid and exit, demand different tasks and workrates of your tyres. With a "binary" braking technique (either full braking or no braking) the weight/load will be all over the place and the car is prone to have an axle or tyre overwhelmed and giving in.
Hence the excessive scrubbing and slide.
- floresua3 years agoSeasoned Newcomer
Here I am attaching 2 videos with a standard preset and a small video of the race where you can also see how the car slides
I think even full TC can't cope with abusing throttle this much. 🤭
- mariohomoh3 years agoHero (Retired)
Like @Blackbird90 is hinting at and like I said before, you'll need to work on that footwork. Both the brake and throttle application.
Two examples of braking and throttle application for F1 cars. If you can't make sense of those graphs, let me know 👍
There's a slope for the braking and a modulation of the throttle for a reason. You need to keep the correct tyres properly loaded. That entails both not overwhelming them (too much braking and steering at the same time for instance) and not underloading them (abrupt release of the brakes or abrupt throttle application while cornering, unloading the front tyres).
For downforce heavy cars like F1, you still need to account for the gradual loss of grip as the speed goes down. On the example below, the "A" car is a F1 car. Notice how there's a first, shallow slope for the first part while the driver brakes in a straight line, and a more sharp slope as the driver trail brakes into the corner.
The "B" trace is for a GT3 car. It's a different approach for the same corner, trail braking deeper into it.
Both cases however are notorious for not having a "on or off" braking.
- floresua3 years agoSeasoned Newcomer
Why I didn't have a such problems in F1 22, only in 23?
- mariohomoh3 years agoHero (Retired)
@BERGoDAVThe handling model improved. I don't use assists but I guess those got rebalanced as well, @ScarDuck14 can speak to that.
The point is, there's no way you're going to have a balanced car and be able to take those corners fast with those abrupt inputs. That would be unrealistic.No one should expect a car to take a slow speed corner like if it was on rails if braking and throttle are applied like that.
If you're willing to give it a shot, there are many good resources and guides out there, including Youtube. We can certainly point you in the right direction.
First thing you should look at are Trail Braking guides. Or guides to turning off ABS and TC - even if you don't intend to turn those assists off, these guides will teach you the proper technique. - ScarDuck143 years agoLegend@mariohomoh Possibly related to this thread https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Traction-or-lack-of-with-controller-in-slow-speed-corners/td-p/12668517
Problem is I don’t think assists got a rebalance. I don’t think they take into account the new tyre model 🤷🏻♂️ - Meza9943 years agoSeasoned Ace@ScarDuck14 Tyre model got more foregiving in F1 23 than in F1 22 though.. Does the full TC say that you wont have any tyre slipping?
- ScarDuck143 years agoLegend@Meza994 Have no idea 🤷🏻♂️. It’s not a case off simple wheel slip. It’s bizarre. Which alone points to it not being right. I’m pretty sure TC has not been properly set and tested. Be it due to the tyre model or handling model.
The weird behaviour happens exactly when tyre grip drops off. - Meza9943 years agoSeasoned Ace@ScarDuck14 In all honesty i can not find much weirdness, for example in canada the hairpin they never start pushing the throttle as early as in some of the "problem" videos where go full throttle with extreme steering angle.. They dont do that IRL nor in time trial, they never start before half way through the corner and only slowly increase it because its such a tricky traction zone + they use higher downforce than the game suggests..
There might be some things not working 100% right when having auto gears and full TC but id really say most of the mistakes is too extreme inputs, they just made full TC less controlling as you wished for
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