Hey drivers, The newest patch is now available across all platforms. You can find out what's in this patch in this thread here Need some help? Something in the patch not working the way it should? Tell us in this thread! -rephii

It's been almost two full months since release that a large percentage of your customers can't use FFB on their products.It's been two years since VR was 'implemented' in such a way as to be nearly unusable.Volumetric fog continues to make night races unplayable (fun fact, Bahrain at night was literally the FIRST RACE of F1 23, immediately showing this problem, and you people released the game anyway?). I'll say it again for those who need to hear it a second time: THE FIRST RACING EXPERIENCE OF THE GAME SHOWCASES THIS BUG.Red flags are still broken.Safety cars are still broken.You want to know why your sales are down year after year? It's because you're incompetent. You advertise new features that don't even work, and clearly don't do any testing of your own product before releasing it.Not once has anyone from EA apologized for the state of the game. People who value integrity would've delayed the game in the first place. People who simply have integrity would've at least apologized.You did neither.I look forward to watching your sales numbers plummet until the series has to be canceled and the license goes to someone who actually cares about F1, and their customers.Edit: One more thing - you took two weeks to fix the cockpit camera bug that YOU CAUSED. Other gaming companies would have shown respect to their customers by immediately implementing a hotfix patch to fix their own screwup, but not our good ol' EA buddies! Nothing lights a fire under your backsides. Not broken FFB, not bugs your own incompetence caused, not major "new" features that don't work.The only timeline you pay any attention to is your own convenience. To hell with those fools who actually pay your salary, eh! Those pesky customers should be grateful they get anything at all, am I right?!

Realistically I think apologies for game performance not matching people's expectations generally doesn't happen (have you ever seen one?) for two reasons:The bad PR would be huge. As in, look everyone, this game is so bad they even publicly apologised for it.If a product is admitted to be defective you're then getting into potentially tricky territory re. refunds.As far as I'm concerned nobody should expect one and it wouldn't make any difference if it happened anyway. Also, do you think anyone working on the game is happy that there are significant ongoing issues? Of course they aren't. This thread really isn't the right place to be discussing this though, as it's detracting from people trying to highlight new issues following the latest update.

The F1 World tech changes has improved nothing. Granted, I'm now 4 seconds a lap faster than the AI instead of 6, but that's it. Shove the tech modifier up and you end up with noobs in rocket ships. Fast in straight lines but can't handle a fight. Only played it for 5 minutes and the problems were instantly visible, how the testers didn't notices this beggars belief. New year, same old story.Leaving the AI difficulty locked at 35% is what's holding the whole feature back. I can't believe it's just being left that way.Edit: It just feels like, for the past few years, when there's a fix needed, the minimum amount of effort possible is put into it, corners are cut, compromises are made, and it becomes just surface-level, papering over the cracks."But for this to work properly, you need to fix this aswell""Nah, just do this and leave it. It'll take too much time and effort, need to work on the eSports model anyway. Besides, this game is only for casuals now, they won't notice."That's how it feels.

This sums it up @Trekari wrote: It's been almost two full months since release that a large percentage of your customers can't use FFB on their products. It's been two years since VR was 'implemented' in such a way as to be nearly unusable. Volumetric fog continues to make night races unplayable (fun fact, Bahrain at night was literally the FIRST RACE of F1 23, immediately showing this problem, and you people released the game anyway?). I'll say it again for those who need to hear it a second time: THE FIRST RACING EXPERIENCE OF THE GAME SHOWCASES THIS BUG. Red flags are still broken. Safety cars are still broken. You want to know why your sales are down year after year? It's because you're incompetent. You advertise new features that don't even work, and clearly don't do any testing of your own product before releasing it. Not once has anyone from EA apologized for the state of the game. People who value integrity would've delayed the game in the first place. People who simply have integrity would've at least apologized. You did neither. I look forward to watching your sales numbers plummet until the series has to be canceled and the license goes to someone who actually cares about F1, and their customers. Edit: One more thing - you took two weeks to fix the cockpit camera bug that YOU CAUSED. Other gaming companies would have shown respect to their customers by immediately implementing a hotfix patch to fix their own screwup, but not our good ol' EA buddies! Nothing lights a fire under your backsides. Not broken FFB, not bugs your own incompetence caused, not major "new" features that don't work. The only timeline you pay any attention to is your own convenience. To hell with those fools who actually pay your salary, eh! Those pesky customers should be grateful they get anything at all, am I right?! This sums it up very well. It's awful. Not once was there an apology to the huge playerbase not being able to play for 2 months. They just don't care. They got the money and that's all they want anyway. I sincerely hope the sales continue to plummet and they get what they deserve. For the fact this is a racing game, it's incredible that all these FFB issues are still around and simply won't be patched. At least have the decency to offer refunds to those who are screwed by all these issues or offer an apology. We know that EA has never cared about their customers. F1 is a new low tho. [Edited] CM Edited post to clean things up to align with rules.

@Iceman038-NL wrote:Only EA influence is MONETIZATION. Just look at the season pass. Where you normally would get around 10000 pitcoin on the free pass with less levels, now they give you 2500 in total on 50! Levels.This part isn't actually true. From the first year of Podium Pass (F1 2020) it has never been possible to earn enough pitcoins from the free tier to buy VIP access for the next. The model has always been that to be self-funding you'd need to buy VIP access to the first Podium Pass season to then be able to earn enough Pitcoins to buy VIP access to the following season, etc. I forget now whether the free/VIP Pitcoin availability was 2500/7500 or something else but at best is was 5000/5000 and definitely not 10000/0.

F1® 23 - Patch 1.09 Discussion Thread

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Neil_RS60
Seasoned Traveler
2 years ago
Yes, the current EA sports portfolio strategy seems to be focused mainly on pushing an enagement and transaction driven gaming architecture (here F1 world) with sports mechanics strapped on. Some of the bits are ok and yet, as @Ultrasonic_77 points out, weirdly broken in annoying ways, but can still be good when a quick hit or some gamified challenges are wanted. EA obviously has a bunch of data from this and PMs no doubt use it to show why this is the right approach. Same is true for PGA tour as I’ve pointed out before.

Braking Point is the attempt to cash in on the Drive to Survive rise in interest (and it was less bad than I expected TBH), F1 World is there to keep them going at it. The more hard core racing (or any of the other sports) enthusiasts who want to do the full up championship and similar stuff must not be the main target as their experience continues to be given the short end of the resources.

And TBH from a data perspective probably true - you have to be strongly into a sport to gain satisfaction from grinding out the full season or managing the team vs just getting a sugar rush from the game engine goodies EA thinks that’s needed to sell more games. So some stuff gets included as its needed as a checkbox but neglected due to low use, reinforced because of flaws.

Same with group competition, which would seem like an obvious thing to facilitate, but EA has pretty consistently failed at undertanding what people want. Cheating and bad behavior further limit interest and hence play through so more negative data trends.

But its the persistent lack of QA that really puts the t*d in the punch bowl. Which is a shame because there must be some serious racing (or other sports) nerds on the dev teams, as there are aspects that do shine. It’s got to be as frustrating for them (i hope) as it is for us to see those efforts short changed by such bad QA.

I was only expecting two things from F1 23 - better handling and the new tracks, so I’m not let down (much) by buying it. And as a Fanatec user they didn’t break my wheel so I lucked out enough to enjoy those things. The rest? meh. Can or will they improve the franchise? Not so sure how to gauge the future but was really hoping for more improvement this year.
mariohomoh
Hero (Retired)
2 years ago
@Neil_RS60 you and @P4st3l1ak are spot on. Unfortunately I don't see things change in the short or medium term.

Even before EA's acquisition, Codies was already hinting they're looking at ways to monetize the franchise and increase revenue. Several aspects of the game took a back seat while they're cooking this and that, and soon after EA closed the deal.

We were relatively content on attributing several of those issues on the acquisition and all that it entails - staff, tools, management, internal structure, reshuffling of IPs and projects, etc. But in retrospect, even though those factors most definitely played a part, it's clear that that's not what's holding this franchise from fixing reoccurring bugs or moving the needle on careers modes and multiplayer systems.
We would hardly have a better My Team or functional ranking and matchmaking systems on multiplayer if EA never got into it.

Codies decided the franchise was ripe for monetization, and they're waddling their way through it. Unfortunately I think the experience is lacking and much of the franchise success relied on the community's goodwill and faith that things would get better soon™.
When I want to get my football fix, I'm more satisfied with my time and effort on FIFA than I am with F1 when I feel like racing these cars.

Which is odd. The handling is definitely better, and we got all new tracks on release. So why am I not having fun? Again, this franchise wasn't ready to have so many of its gameplay pillars being skimped on like this.

And having my Logitech rig so unfulfillingly supported doesn't help either 🤷‍♂️
P4st3l1ak
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@Neil_RS60
I don't mind Braking Point, I am fan of RPGs and they are always about stories.
However, if something is pretty straightforward then it isn't much fun, is it? Even in first episode, they ask to finish the race. I crashed the car and options available were flashback or restart. No option to continue in story with failed result.
I'd like them to focus more on richer story for BP but not only in cinematics. I want to make choices, have different outcomes, continue even when failed the objective. We see lot of drama in F1 and D2S show. I know, they tried different spin on it this year, bringing in women to F1. And even I'd like to see Jamie, Alice, Emma or others join F1, it still feels a bit forced.
domo_v2
2 years ago
Where was that thread with the easy fixes that are simple, and should be easy enough to fix?
ScarDuck14
Legend
2 years ago
@domo_v2The low hanging fruit thread by @Monzstar83 ?

No idea🙄😇

It’s in suggestions👍
https://answers.ea.com/t5/Game-Suggestions/Reprise-Low-Hanging-Fruit-Thread/m-p/12763259#M601
ScarDuck14
Legend
2 years ago
@P4st3l1ak Jamie should be there as all people named Jamie are awesome 😎
P4st3l1ak
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@ScarDuck14 your daughter's name? 😉
ScarDuck14
Legend
2 years ago
@P4st3l1ak 😂😂. Im calling you every name I can think off 😂😂
Monzstar83
2 years ago
@Neil_RS60 wrote:

Braking Point is the attempt to cash in on the Drive to Survive rise in interest (and it was less bad than I expected TBH), F1 World is there to keep them going at it. The more hard core racing (or any of the other sports) enthusiasts who want to do the full up championship and similar stuff must not be the main target as their experience continues to be given the short end of the resources.

And TBH from a data perspective probably true - you have to be strongly into a sport to gain satisfaction from grinding out the full season or managing the team vs just getting a sugar rush from the game engine goodies EA thinks that’s needed to sell more games. So some stuff gets included as its needed as a checkbox but neglected due to low use, reinforced because of flaws.

But its the persistent lack of QA that really puts the t*d in the punch bowl. Which is a shame because there must be some serious racing (or other sports) nerds on the dev teams, as there are aspects that do shine. It’s got to be as frustrating for them (i hope) as it is for us to see those efforts short changed by such bad QA.

I was only expecting two things from F1 23 - better handling and the new tracks, so I’m not let down (much) by buying it. And as a Fanatec user they didn’t break my wheel so I lucked out enough to enjoy those things. The rest? meh. Can or will they improve the franchise? Not so sure how to gauge the future but was really hoping for more improvement this year.
Very well said @Neil_RS60, I feel exactly the same 👍🏽
Blackbird90
2 years ago
@P4st3l1ak wrote:
This year, we get stickers!! (yeay ☹️ )
I collect them to complete the compenduim. Don't know why am I doing it, but yeah.)

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