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Meza994
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago

How to revamp career modes properly

Contracts:

  • More importance to results matching your teams expected results to gain acclaim
  • The better the team in the WCC standings the more acclaim you need for better contracts with them
  • Potential contracts:
    • Level 1 -> no choice for your teammate, no decisions in R&D (AI will make decisions), low acclaim gain, very high targets/expectations
    • Level 2 -> no choice for your teammate, decisions in R&D, low acclaim gain, high targets/expectations
    • Level 3 -> choice of teammate, decisions in R&D, moderate acclaim gain
    • Level 4 -> choice of teammate, decisions in R&D, team orders, moderate acclaim gain
    • Level 5 -> choice of teammate, decisions in R&D, team orders, teammate does a few practice programs for you, high acclaim gain
  • Different teams can approach you with a better contract than what you currently have for example after good results in the first season with the worst contract the can approach you as a first driver who can dictate development even though not being in a faster team per se
  • AI driver contracts in MyTeam would be like:
    • Level 1 -> Will accept any team orders, cheapest costs (~5m), will do practice programs for you
    • Level 2 -> Will accept any team orders, cheap costs (~10m), will do 1practice program for you per weekend
    • Level 3 -> Will accept some team orders, average costs (~15m)
    • Level 4 -> High costs (~20m)
    • Level 5 -> Most expensive costs (~25m), might demand certain car upgrades and will lose focus (~10-15) if not done
  • Team Acclaim shouldn’t be a thing  anymore (for contracts), just the finish in the last WCC as we saw with Brawn 2009 winner and where able to hire Michael Schumacher for the following season (yes it became Mercedes still though the finishing position matters most)
  • Add an option for realistic contract offers after F2, offering you drives at teams depending on how you perform in F2 like:
    • P16-P20 -> Do another season of F2
    • P10-P15 -> Lvl 1 acclaim
    • P5-P9 -> Lvl 2 acclaim
    • P2-P4 -> Lvl 3 acclaim
    • P1 -> Lvl 4 acclaim
    • When a player has not enabled the realistic contracts option for F2 then they start with an opportunity at all teams to become 2nd driver with a Lvl 2 contract
  • The more headroom there is to the limit of a contract being negotiable the higher the chance that the driver/team will accept the requested contract, so when you are Lvl 12 acclaim as a driver and request a Lvl 3 contract at WCC #1 chances will be worse than if you are Lvl 16 acclaim. When you only just meet the minimum requirement chances that the team accepts are at 30% and increase by 15% for each acclaim Lvl you are above the minimum requirement
  • For AI driver contracts it’s the lower the offered contract in relation to the drivers acclaim the lower the chances that the driver accepts, so when you offer a Lvl 17 acclaim driver a Lvl 12 acclaim contract it will only be a 15% chance that he accepts. With each Lvl closer to the drivers acclaim it increase by 15% so offering a Lvl 19 acclaim contract will always be accepted by a Lvl 17 driver
  • AI drivers can only accept contracts that are worth 5 acclaim levels below their own or higher so a Lvl 20 acclaim driver (like Hamilton should be) can only ever accept Lvl 4 contracts from the WCC 1st or 2nd or Lvl 5 contracts from WCC 6th through 1st
  • When a player has not enabled the realistic contracts option for F2 then they start with an opportunity at all teams to become 2nd driver with a worse contract but not the worst contract! (A Lvl 2 contract)

 

Formula 2:

  • Realistic AI behavior in qualifying – two slow warmup laps, one fast lap, one cooldown lap, one fast lap and the same on the second set of options in the second half, requires higher fuel loads – 5-6 instead of 3 laps – and the AI to go out in one big group (~3s gaps) so they don’t impede each other!
  • Free choice of fuel loads and tyres in practice, qualifying and the races
    • Qualifying should always be 100% race length wear for anything that’s not OSQ
  • Race strategy variety 50/50 for the back 12 whether to start on option or prime, 20% higher chance for the top ten to start on options
  • Slightly bigger grip gap between tyres, supposedly its around 1s for F2 tyres per compound
  • Proper ratings (worst case based on the real life results and not based on what actually happened) for realistic results and not just paid ratings like Amaury Cordeel who gets the best pace rating whilst getting 17th in the championship without bad luck or anything
  • Similar dirty air behavior as in F1 but theres less downforce that would be reduced to begin with
  • Implement free pracitce tests for the player (and AI) when he performs well (inside top 5) to fulfill certain programs to gain more acclaim which helps to get (better) contracts after the season
  • Even when driving in F1 these tests should happen from time to time with F2 drivers appearing in practice sessions (best to use drivers and teams associated with one another)

MyTeam:

  • Introduction of the cost cap, limiting how much money a team can spend! – Mainly a MyTeam feature – 135m
    • Just going by an article from Forbes from 2018 about Toro Rosso finances and some other research:
      • Logistics for all races (no matter the season length) 10m
      • All materials (clothing, cars etc.) 60m
      • Personnel up to (depending on how much you put into the facilities) 50m
        • Each facility and specification having costs per month to be set, total costs per specification (by F1 23 standards) being ~2.75/1.0m per season. Performance facilities need to be more expensive than “Personnel” and “Marketing”!
      • The remaining 15m can be spend on upgrading facilities (or more if less is spend on the personnel) and on upgrading the car with e.g. 250k for a front wing upgrade
    • Once the budget cap is reached facilities and all R&D will be shut down for the rest of the season, nothing can be done but do the race weekends but there will also be no R&D points available as punishment for going over the cap.
      • However there should be sufficient warnings and tutorials about managing the budget cap
      • There should be a small graphic next to the cash amount showing how much money the player may yet spend that season
    • For this the payout at the end of the season for the WCC and the sponsor payouts need to be reworked a bit to fit the requirements (#1 in WCC with best sponsors should be about 175m maximum per season)
  • Upgrading Facilities should take up to a whole season as it was multiple years for Aston Martin to upgrade their facilities!
  • More management of staff in MyTeam, the player is team principal so there should be more emphasis on building a strong team with good team members, process management etc.
    • For example with the cost cap not all facilities can be run at maximum level, the player has to choose where to put more money into, pitstops, aero development, durability etc. and all the specifications (Quality Control etc.) all set for certain periods like a month so you can’t just change it every day as the resources IRL also take time and can’t be redistributed every hour
      • This could be achieved by adding another layer to the facilities defining at what level they work for each specification by itself and the facility upgrades allow for higher levels, so at level 1 facilities you can only have each specification work at level 1 or level 0
      • For example each level for the performance facility specifications would be ~57.5k per month, personnel specifications ~21k per month.
        • So Aerodynamics “Build Time” level 2 would be 172.5k costs each month
      • You would only upgrade the base facilities not every specification by itself
    • New durability area for internal car errors causing mechanical failures
      • Low durability after winter break with the “new car”
      • Extremely low durability after a regulation change
      • Has to be upgraded/researched to reduce the risk of failures to a minimum over winter break and pre season testing, otherwise risk DNFs till you invested into it
    • More options for decreasing resource point generation/acclaim/money in career modes so players can slow it down to almost no development or speed it up a lot if they wish to
      • So instead of reducing Level 1 resource point generation from 75 to 60 the lowest rate would give 15, Level 2 gains 25, Level 3 gains 35, this way upgrades would even with 4 level 3 facilities take long (practice program gains need to be reduced equally of course)
    • New mini practice programs for practice starts and pit stops – the latter allowing for change of tyre or front wing angle!
    • Young driver program for MyTeam, choose a F2 driver you want to support and within 1 season they will have exceptional increase of skill (reach their potential a lot faster than usually yet not fully)

More following in a second post because i fear it will be detected as spam again if i make it too long😂

Below an example for a "fair" contract system showing what driver acclaim would be required to get a specific contract level with a team e.g. the winner of the last season

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  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago

    R&D changes:

    • R&D points are no longer the currency to get upgrades! Upgrades will mainly cost money but also individual data points that will be gathered as the old R&D points were
      • Data points will be differentiated between, aero data, PU data, tyre data and chassis data and the player can decide before going for a practice program which they want to collect giving bonus data points for targets met like higher top speed than average, higher cornering speed than average, lower tyre wear than average etc.
      • These data points would be specifically needed for such upgrades so chassis data for chassis upgrade, PU data for durability upgrades etc. this requires more decision making and planning by the player!
    • Upgrades should have a chance to have a negative effect, effectively making the car slower than before
    • Upgrades should take longer to slow development further down:
      • Minor – 35 days (32/28/25 days depending on the facility specification level)
      • Major – 56 days (50/45/39 days depending on the facility specification level)
      • Ultimate – 70 days (63/56/49 days depending on the facility specification level)
      • Upgrades can still be rushed to reduce the development time by additional ~25% costing more money and data points but also causing additional risk of a negative upgrade
    • Upgrades need to be evaluated/tested in practice with 1-2 extra “testlaps” to gauge the effect of the upgrade, giving 10% of the data points in return and preventing the player from driving a worse car.
      • If an upgrade has been found to have failed (or even have a negative effect) it will automatically be removed and the player has to redo it.
      • AI has a 75% chance to test the upgrades and otherwise keeps driving with a worse car.
    • Upgrades should not be limited by a “tech tree” or require other upgrades, if the player wants to upgrade front downforce they should be able to choose the upgrade they want and not be limited by first doing a DRS upgrade!
    • Additional upgrades for mechanical grip and tyre heating which will be with the tyre wear a new area of upgrades, replacing engine upgrades as those are banned IRL so the areas of development would be aerodynamics, chassis, tyres and PU-durability
      • PU-durability being secret engine upgrades allowing for higher engine modes to be used on race weekends which should be an option in the setup, up to 7.5% more engine power at the cost of 40% more wear.
    • Ideally also implement the development limit depending on the WCC position, limiting how much data points can be spend?
      • Set a limit and apply the same 115%-70% multipliers depending on the WCC standings at season end + summer break
    • No more gamification of facilities, meaning teams near the top in one F1 season get better facilities in the whole game. It should be the known top teams with the best facilities (Merc, RB and Ferrari) then the midfield with the next tier of facilities (McLaren, Alpine, Aston Martin, Alpha Tauri and Sauber) and the backmarker of recent past (Williams and Haas) making up a bit of the disadvantage from development limitation for the WCC
      • Staying the same even in future titles (unless the teams upgrade their facilities IRL)
    • For a wider range at regulation changes and ideally for negative upgrades the AI should be trained to a lot more car performances but all to the same performances, so instead of being for each car very specific and different potentials it would be all the same potentials, the AI will be trained to all and depending on what the car will actually end up having as a performance the AI should pick the right training for this specific car.
      • Ideally the AI would be very flexible and only check what exact lines they need to use when in the game based on the actual data in the files (downforce, weight distribution etc.), making late or quick changes to car performances much easier when the AI recognizes that the car only has 0.900 front downforce and it uses the appropriate training for that characteristic and then a short patch later it has 0.930 and the AI knows immediately what training to use. Something similar should already be in use for F1 World unless the “downforce” that’s added with tech level isn’t real downforce but just less weight.
      • More specific variety in car characteristics:
        • Being front limited -> worse weight distribution
        • Fast in medium corners -> more downforce
        • Fast in slow corners/good on traction -> more mechanical grip
        • Being worse in races -> higher tyre wear/heating not always the same
        • Better performances on high downforce tracks but having good top speed -> high wing efficiency
      • The AI should be trained with quite a bit of car performance below what they will end up in at the start of a career mode and the potential ceiling should not be as high as it is now, by this cars/AI would not end up way too fast + there would be sufficient room for realistic regulation changes
    • Regulation changes should reset all cars to the minimum and by investing mid season (after the announcement of the regulation change) the player and AI can make their car for the next season better while still upgrading the current car in case of a close title fight.
      • There shouldn’t be guaranteed results for investment but only tendencies, so if you invest the maximum every time you should get a car about 35-40% of the maximum potential however if you invest nothing you will end up with 0-10% of the maximum. At regulation changes a lot of investment does not always translate into results and it should be similar in the game, just not as harsh
      • Reg changes should be announced with at least half a year till the start of the next season for enough preparation time
        • There should be multiple points in this time period in which the player and AI can decide how much money and data points they want to invest – which will in turn hinder the upgrades on the running season!
      • With this career modes will have much more replayability when sometimes the cars are near maxed out and sometimes back to almost 0
      • Regulation changes should be fairly rare, only a higher chance for it in the following season when a car has maxed out downforce or such.

     

    Facilities:

    • The Power-Unit facility wouldn’t be needed anymore so remake it as the suspension/tyre facility
    • Slight changes to the facility specifications:
      • Fabrication will now also reduce the cash costs of upgrades by 10/15/20% as methods will be more efficient
      • Build Time will reduce the build time by 10/20/30%
      • Quality Control will reduce in addition to normal failures also the chance for negative upgrades by 20/40/60%
      • Resource Point Generation will be changed to “Data Analysis” producing similar like before the points (data points) for upgrades but specific for the facility so the aerodynamics facility will only grant aero data points with the “data analysis”
      • Replace driver stat boosts with potential growth boosts, changing what drivers could grow into instead of instantly making the driver ratings irrelevant

    In the picture below is an example for how the car performances are currently different with each cars potential and what it should rather look like (below)

  • gmhsv1's avatar
    gmhsv1
    2 years ago

    Great posts but I think R/D should be even harder and should have neg impact and failures + Highest facilities should take 5-7 years atleast.

    All your ideas are great but I dont think we will see any of them a shame.

  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago
    @gmhsv1 Theoretically yes, negative impact of upgrades is already in it though 🙂

    By my model it would take at least 2.5-3 years with constant upgrading to get to highest facilities which is already a lot longer and its still a game so you gotta keep it somewhat quick also because its only a 10 season mode and only reaching some things for the very end has always bugged me in games haha But sure the best facilities could take up to 2 years and level 2 1.5 years, that way it would be closer to 4-5 years total 🙂

    But as you say chances are small but EA and Codemasters should really have a look at it as BG3 has shown what fans want and the F1 community has to get on that train
  • EA_Groguet's avatar
    EA_Groguet
    Icon for Community Manager rankCommunity Manager
    2 years ago
    @Meza994 This is such a great feedback thread! Extensive a super detailed, just the way I love them.

    Thank you very much! I will pass on this thread!
  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago
    @GPTInteract Thanks for the kind words 🙂

    Regarding your own suggestions:

    I was thinking about the building your own engine but in the end we got an engine freeze and all the potential new engine suppliers are only considering to come in for the new regs, because they wouldnt have a chance to improve and would most likely have a far worse engine if they entered now, so id introduce that feature at the latest for the 2026 game.

    However if the devs would want to give it even more depth then they could make it so that there is a chance for engine regulation changes that would then allow for building your own engine and having the normal engine upgrade path again. Problems with that would only be a bit more complex implementation with first being unavailable and having a chance each season that those regs will be changed, but besides that "Build your own engine" would definitely be a needed feature!

    Visual car upgrades for most would be different side pods, wings etc. which is fairly difficult sadly as all those needs to be allowed by FOM and ideally we would get those for every normal team too which in turn would also need to allow it, a lot of licensing which is sadly unlikely but more depth customization is definitely needed! Have already made a little list on easier customization improvements just forgot to put them into this post haha

    Multi-Year Contracts is definitely a great idea and shouldnt be too hard, just limiting when a driver/AI is available again for contract negotiations (we better leave out all this "not following contracts" drama thats currently happening haha

    Voting on rule changes is also a nice idea, also shouldnt be too complicated to give the AI teams a little training on what to vote for - top teams rather against rule changes, backmarkers in more often in favor, teams generally rather voting for things they are lacking so Williams with bad downforce would rather vote for a downforce regulation change - but all only higher probabilities so it stays a bit unpredictable!
  • ScarDuck14's avatar
    ScarDuck14
    Legend
    2 years ago
    @Meza994 They were ChatGPT suggestions. So I dare say ChatGPT got those suggestions from your previous suggestion threads 😂
  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago
    @ScarDuck14 Hahaha why the hell doe ChatGPT post on the EA boards? Anyway not all of them were by me and i dont have the monopoly on good suggestions, for instance i wasnt really thinking about Multi-Year contracts - only for a few seconds haha

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