Thrustmaster T300 "numb" ffb
Product: F1 23 Platform:PlayStation 5 Digital Edition Please specify your platform model. Sony PlayStation 5 Digital Edition Summarize your bug After quite a few laps wheel ffb loses most of its f...
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@matty0blobber It most certainly is the heat. T300 is well known for its FFB fading when run high. What we would need to know is their settings. In F1 23 if you go somewhere over 60 in the main force, the T300 is gonna clip all the time and definitely cause overheating quickly, especially when you don't have the fan always on or it's very warm in your room.
@void_snw its not, its the game 100%, these wheels work fine on other games and older F1 games.
- @matty0blobber Again, we'd need to know their settings and ambient temp to rule that out. Other games do this too, and it's not uncommon with the T300. The fan on the T300 is simply insufficient.
The problem is with the game. In addition to everything mentioned above, if you go to Montmelo circuit, the ffb is lost quite quickly, but for example in Monza, at least in my case it does not lose ffb even though I am playing 3 hours in a row. It can only be a game error
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@matty0blobberAgain, we'd need to know their settings and ambient temp to rule that out. Other games do this too, and it's not uncommon with the T300. The fan on the T300 is simply insufficient.There are people complaining about this same problem with other wheels aswell
- @Josu_11011 Just to remind everyone, tyre wear also affects the FFB in a similar way FFB fading would. This was not as pronounced in the other F1 games, and since there's less understeer effect with the new FFB engine, the peaky tyre feel fades away from it as well. Would be funny if this was the issue.
@void_snw it happens in time trial so it can’t be tyre wear
- @Josu_11011 Well, worth a shot - it just came to mind after a long stint with very abused tyres :')
- @Josu_11011 It would still be good to know the settings used btw
- @Josu_11011 yeah.. thats gonna be a bit much for the T300. Past 60-65 there isn't much strength increase just how fast it reaches near max strength. I'm suspecting clipping and thus forcing the motor to work near full load even in easy corners. 3-4 Nm simply isn't that much sadly. It would explain your personal use case, but not other wheelbases. Most bases simply don't have temperature issues.
I don't know but having played F1 22, 21 and GT7 for many hours I'm almost sure it's not overheating. In previous games I have always had something higher and in the GT it was infinitely harder. I find it hard to think it's a temperature issue, but it would be nice for EA to investigate it and say something as soon as possible.
@void_snw
You can imply its heat as much as you want mate, I appreciate you're just trying to help but with the amount of people reporting issues it can't be heat, plus everyone reporting these issues aren't having trouble with F1 22 or other games even when playing for longer stints where it should get hot.Theres something seriously wrong with FFB in F1 23.
@matty0blobberHi Matty, call me daft but I’m only experiencing “drop off” (as opposed to absolute loss of FFB) when I’m on worn/overheating tyres… we know the FFB does give you the “driving on ice” sensation when grip is lacking…. Are people getting confused with this, or do you think it’s an entirely separate issue? I could be wrong as one chap said he’s had the issue in time trial. But I’d be interested to know what would happen if someone with this FFB drop off immediately went restarted race without letting the wheel cool down. I definitely don’t get any sensation that my wheel is overheating.
For all the people with this issue, I will be trying this
I think the problem may be related to version 34 of the T300 firmware
I have downloaded the firmware v33 and nothing, the problem persists... this has to be a game failure.
What I can assure you is that it is not a problem of overheating, that's for sure. I've been testing it now and the temperature of the room is very low, the steering wheel fan is normal and it's not generating heat
@Josu_11011 wrote:What I can assure you is that it is not a problem of overheating, that's for sure. I've been testing it now and the temperature of the room is very low, the steering wheel fan is normal and it's not generating heat
Do you understand that what you're experiencing exactly matches what the wheel is specifically designed to do when it gets too hot? I get that you want performance to be better but I'm sorry I really don't think you've proved what you think you have. Note that as per the following post earlier in this thread it appears that changes to the in-game force feedback will make this occur more easily than with last year's game:
Possibly trying using a vacuum cleaner to remove dust from your wheel could help, although I'll be honest I suspect that it won't.
- When feedback disappears altogether I unplug my wheel from power and plug back in. It then goes back to normal, surely proving that overheating is not the issue….
My T300 is completely new. For the last three years I have had another T300 that never gave any problems, but it broke and I bought this one again. I have also tried this new steering wheel in other games and it goes well, that is to say that the steering wheel is not broken.
- @timinator2014 that is true
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When feedback disappears altogether I unplug my wheel from power and plug back in. It then goes back to normal, surely proving that overheating is not the issue….That would depend how the thermal protection works which would be a question for Thrustmater. It might reset something to do with this.
@Ultrasonic_77Hi Ultrasonic, I’d appreciate your thoughts on my findings this afternoon. I’m on a TX . As a test, I lowered my FFB to 35 (from 65) with wheel damper on 1 - to eradicate any possibility of the wheel overheating. I then drove a practice, qualy and 35% race - total driving time approx 1hr 20 - before the usual glitch kicked in and all FFB disappeared entirely. With these settings the wheel can be turned with a finger, obviously making driving ridiculous but certainly protecting the base from any potential overheating. Having tested it I would say that 55 FFB would be reflective of racing on F1 ‘22. As many others will tell you, I never had the slightest issues with FFB on that game, nor on Dirt Rally or any other games which put considerably more force through the wheel. It is also worth nothing that quitting the game and reloading immediately resets FFB to normal. It really could not be more obvious that the issue does not lie with the TX/T300 overheating. We need to ensure EA are aware of this and don’t think the issue lies with Thrustmaster.
@timinator2014 wrote:It really could not be more obvious that the issue does not lie with the TX/T300 overheating. We need to ensure EA are aware of this and don’t think the issue lies with Thrustmaster.
I don't agree on the part in bold as honestly it still sounds like this. It just takes longer to happen when the FFB strength is reduced. There is a physical explanation for it this way that 100% fits with how it varies with FFB strength that I'm honestly struggling to see any logical way that the game software could have the same effect?
However, if the game is causing this at very low FFB strength settings as you describe then it may be that the FFB itself needs looking at. I will check the discussion here is on the team's radar. I will say that I suspect it must only be a few people affected though or this forum would have a lot more complaints about this. Obviously that isn't of consolation if you're someone that is having an issue though ☹️.
- @Ultrasonic_77 Hi again, thanks for getting back to me. I understand it may seem odd that the game software could cause this issue, however I really have gone through a logical process of elimination - comparing it to F1 ‘22 etc - and there is simply no way that the wheel is overheating. Another clue is in the fact that it happens around the same time - approx 1 to 2 hours into racing - regardless of feedback level or how much actual on track running has occurred. Also, I think from what I’ve read on the forum that the issue is relatively commonplace - my friend I race with every night (we’re on verge of giving up 🙄) has exactly the same problem - we both “glitched” within seconds of each other a couple of nights ago. No option but to quit the race. Tonight we are going to try reloading the game after every gave to see if that fixes the issue.
Thanks again for your efforts, I trust EA will get this sorted/patched before we finally give up! 😣
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@Ultrasonic_77Hi again, thanks for getting back to me. I understand it may seem odd that the game software could cause this issue, however I really have gone through a logical process of elimination - comparing it to F1 ‘22 etc - and there is simply no way that the wheel is overheating. Another clue is in the fact that it happens around the same time - approx 1 to 2 hours into racing - regardless of feedback level or how much actual on track running has occurred. Also, I think from what I’ve read on the forum that the issue is relatively commonplace - my friend I race with every night (we’re on verge of giving up 🙄) has exactly the same problem - we both “glitched” within seconds of each other a couple of nights ago. No option but to quit the race. Tonight we are going to try reloading the game after every gave to see if that fixes the issue.
Thanks again for your efforts, I trust EA will get this sorted/patched before we finally give up! 😣Others have said they can drive for longer with the FFB level reduced. If you really find it makes no difference then that's different and more confusing. I'd still honestly put money on there fundamentally being a hardware explanation though.
The more specifics anyone can give in this thread the better in terms of trying to help make progress on this.
