i totally agree. front end is still too sharp and unrealistically too fast.

@Meza994 Took me a little longer than I wanted to get around to doing this but I've posted some charts below where I've plotted the values for Peak grip, DownSlope, UpSlope and Shape against Load as it's defined in the context of Lateral Load and Longitudinal Load for the C5 compound. I pulled the data using the EGO ERP archiver application which I used to examine the tyrecompounds.erp file and then extract and save the XML contained within. I have the data from this file for both the launch version and the 1.3 patch.I believe that the 'Peak' value as it's used here is the peak Lateral or Longitudinal force that the tyre can generate at a given Load. This data appears to indicate that the Lateral grip of the front tyres in medium-high load situations has been lowered in the new patch. In addition this shows the peak Longitudinal grip of the rear tyres was also lowered which is the primary tyre force at play during acceleration and when braking in a straight line.The DownSlope value represents the rate at which the Lateral/Longitudinal grip decreases after reaching the peak grip. Once the tyre starts to slide, the Lateral and Longitudinal grip typically drops off, and the DownSlope quantifies this reduction. A higher DownSlope should indicate a sharper decline in grip once the tyre surpasses the peak force. As you can see in the charts above the Lateral DownSlope has been increased significantly whilst the Longitudinal DownSlope has remained the same.UpSlope I believe to represent the rate at which the Lateral/Longitudinal force increases as the slip angle increases, up to the peak force. This would define how quickly the tyre builds up Lateral/Longitudinal force as it starts to slide. Ultimately I believe this indicates how quickly a tyre will reach its peak force in the Lateral or Longitudinal direction. The data above appears to indicate the tyres no longer reach their lateral peak as quickly.Shape is a bit weird to me but I think this defines the overall shape of the Lateral/Longitudinal force vs. slip angle curve. This would influence how gradual or abrupt the transition is from the peak force to the post-peak region. This data doesn't tell us much since we don't know how they're applying it to the other values in the game but these would apply a smoothing function to the other values in some way. Hopefully someone who knows more than me can do a better analysis on what the data actually means and I hope if I'm misunderstanding anything that someone can correct me.

@JurassicStark6 Idk why they ever thought his opinion was of value. He's never driven an F1 car before in his life. If they consulted with Max for the handling and he said it was realistic then that's what they should've stuck with and anyone who didn't like it could cry about it. Realism should be the number 1 goal and it shouldn't be sacrificed to cater to people who apparently have no idea how fast these cars actually are.

Why have you listened to the youtubers and now ruined the handling model for this game it was so much better before the patch the back end is now WAY too loose you have ruined this game now all because of the youtubers cried

The driving experience does still need further improvement but you have to remember that the esports and youtubers are min-maxing everything, using extreme setups and driving in an inherently unrealistic way to get the best laptime possible. I heard a few say the cars are 3 seconds faster than they should be, but they say that using setups they would never use in real life, on time trial which has no fuel or weight transfer, tyre overheating or tyre wear and perfect track conditions. So i'd take everything they say with a pinch of salt personally.Plus lets face it, most of us are not at that level!

the new handling update is a lot worse than one on release. the new patch has made the car pedals realistic and feel super heavy under braking and underperforming. The rear is too loose. please return the handling to the one on release or provide a refund for the game.

esports drivers say the updated handling is a step back

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Ultrasonic_77
Hero
2 years ago
Brendon Leigh reckons it's a little better for what it's worth but a long way to go.
https://youtu.be/mw1QI3Y6nfQ?si=qA537qfzNlWe1Zdg
JurassicStark6
2 years ago
the new handling update is a lot worse than one on release.

the new patch has made the car pedals realistic and feel super heavy under braking and underperforming. The rear is too loose.

please return the handling to the one on release or provide a refund for the game.
imyourdad1985
2 years ago
Why have you listened to the youtubers and now ruined the handling model for this game it was so much better before the patch the back end is now WAY too loose you have ruined this game now all because of the youtubers cried
JurassicStark6
2 years ago
@iiKIDOi No the handling was better on release than after the update. Cars too sluggish now
Ultrasonic_77
Hero
2 years ago
@JurassicStark6 wrote:
@iiKIDOiNo the handling was better on release than after the update. Cars too sluggish now
Think you'll find you're agreeing not disagreeing there.
shery_a_coleslaw
New Veteran
2 years ago
@JurassicStark6 It crushed me when I drove the updated handling.
They reverted basically everything. The braking was amazing but even that was reverted. I've been league racing in F1 since F1 2020 and I've put up with bad handling models before but having a good handling model only for it to be taken away has completely killed my desire to even keep playing this game.

If this is the handling model we're gonna be stuck with then I think I'm just gonna drop out of my leagues and call it quits for F1.
JurassicStark6
2 years ago
This is only the beginning crybabies like Alex Gillon are pushing for more changes to be made
shery_a_coleslaw
New Veteran
2 years ago
@JurassicStark6 Idk why they ever thought his opinion was of value. He's never driven an F1 car before in his life. If they consulted with Max for the handling and he said it was realistic then that's what they should've stuck with and anyone who didn't like it could cry about it. Realism should be the number 1 goal and it shouldn't be sacrificed to cater to people who apparently have no idea how fast these cars actually are.
shery_a_coleslaw
New Veteran
2 years ago
@JurassicStark6 The kicker too is that now they REALLY do need to make changes. This is so much worse and the league racing community is already struggling. F1 22 almost killed the community and another year of a handling model that isn't fun to drive might be the final nail in the coffin for what was once a vibrant and thriving community in which I made several IRL friends.
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@shery_a_coleslaw The changes - and it werent many - were not made to make the cars slower - in fact they barely got slower on a select few tracks..

Sliding through corners and being faster that way - unrealistic

some weird midcorner oversteer in low speed corners? unrealistic

Were the changes perfect? Far from it, do some esports drivers also say it improved things and people shouldnt try the same super egdy setups with the new handling? Yes some do

Its all not as easy as there were MANY complains of Esports drivers, drivers that had IRL experience with racing cars, so they had to change things.