Is this finally going to be in F1 2022? It's the one thing I'm waiting on being included before buying.Essentially, it's necessary to create a fair and equal playing field for league racing. Emphasis on Option because I know it's not needed by everyone, and not needed for casual online racing.ThanksEDIT: I'm hearing this still isn't in the game, so another year of not buying, and not organizing leagues for it ☹️

Different views absolutely have a huge advantage. They give you unrealistic peripheral vision, let you see apexes, walls, opponents, so much easier, etc.TRL Limitless posted a great video about why esports need this a few weeks ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQWlrpt-oH4I used to run/own a huge sim racing website with hundreds of F1 201x leagues over the years, and there was probably nothing more discussed than cockpit vs other views, and we jumped through hoops to make the top championships compliant with this rule which is exactly why it just needs to be a optional feature.There's a reason that all serious sims only allow cockpit view.

Why should I or those so called "PRO'S" in esport "pro" have it easier and better than the real deal? Do you see drivers in real life sit on the Halo or on their T-CAM?Do you ever see drivers in real life sit on the couch with their feet in the air and a controller in their hands looking at a monitor?Real life and digital racing is not the same. It can't be the same. Why should I or those so called "PRO'S" in esport "pro" have it easier and better than the real deal?Why should esports drivers have it more difficult and worse than the real deal? A real driver can feel the car, look around, smell, talk to the engineer. An esports driver has way less feedback than a real driver. To compensate a little for the lack of feedback, we've got FFB and we can change the camera angle to improve the feedback we receive. Again, it can't be the same.Most of the hotlap times in TT are also TCAM times, seconds faster than the real drivers do. WHY would that be?Because TT is a mode in which every possible element is in an optimal state to get the most out of the car. No tyre wear, no overheating, no dirt, no wind, no fuel, There's also no risk involved for a simracer. If we botch a hotlap, we'll be on the next try in 5 seconds. We have unlimited time to try and set one fast lap. Real drivers only get 12 minutes and 2 to 3 attempts at most. Just to prove my point. Max Verstappen did a 1.28.997 at Bahrain in 2021 to secure pole. The first video of a cockpit cam TT I can find is doing 1.26.542, almost 2,5 seconds faster than the real deal and 2,5 seconds slower than the fastest T-cam hotlap I can find (Lucas Blakeley 1.23.924). It's not (just) the camera point that makes esports driver faster than real life drivers. We don't even know what Lucas Blakeley can do on TT with cockpit. Maybe he can set a 1.24.100? We can not assume that cockpit is 2,5 seconds slower, because most players use T-cam so it's only logical that the fastest times are achieved with T-cam.my runs are always in cockpit mode, without assists. I'm simply a hardcore lover of F1 and I want it as close to real as I can get.That's perfectly fine and I admire you for doing that, it's just not that important for esports to be as close to real life as you can get, because of the reasons I gave earlier. The more realistic you try to make it, the more difficult you make it. You could argue that this would make it even less realistic, because it gets more difficult than real F1. Again, it can't be the same.The same goes for those so called "MASTER" skilled drivers in ranked lobbies who get to that level with all assists enabled and thus winning races easy from non assist drivers. Non assist lobbies should be standard option. There should be more "hardcore" options to create a fair and level playingfield.I see non assist drivers winning from assist drivers aswell. It's all a matter of who's racing who. If you're really fast (and you want to achieve that MASTER rank, you should be able to win from assisted drivers (who are limited by the assists like TC which makes them slower). If you can't win from a TC user, you aren't a master of the game. But as with everything, CM doesn't care a single bit for the hardcore players like you or me or everyone else who would like these options.Baseless claim. If they didn't care, you wouldn't be able to drive without assists in cockpit mode. Just because they don't have a non-assist/mandatory cockpit cam lobby, doesn't say anything about whether they care more or less about you than any other driver. As far as I'm aware there is only one sort of ranked lobby. Which would mean that Codemasters only cares about players that use the exact assists that are allowed in that mode? No, it's just that they tried to find a standard that would give everyone the chance to compete with drivers with the same pace. If you want to race without assists, find a league!And I think that it's simply because they don't know how to create something like that.Baseless claim. They could. But I don't think they would because it would hurt the amount of players that are active in those lobbies. There's just not that much drivers that would play 0-assists and cockpit cam in ranked mode. By putting everyone in the same lobby, Codemasters makes sure that there's always somebody to race against, even if it's someone who uses different assists than you.FYI: I don't use any assists, but I do use T-cam. And I'm perfectly fine with the non-assists leagues I'm active in. Just as I'm fine with racing ranked lobbies against assist users. If they are as fast as I am, I'll have fun racing them.

True, but I don't really want to make this isn't really about arcade vs sim. It's just about giving leagues and esports some more legitimacy, or if you prefer, even just giving racers something they want to create the level playing field in the leagues they want to race in. An option hurts no one, but it does open up the title to more fans and more purchases. I had a long list of things I was waiting for this title to have in place before buying again and running leagues again, and this is now the very last one! Please let it be in this year's game already. Please? 🙂

@moogleslam Don't worry, I see the validity for the request. I'll ask the question of if we can get any objective analytics behind the idea, and try to figure out the true demand of such a addition. Its reward as a entire player base vs resource. Have to remember that we are more than willing to make additions, but we just need to find the numbers across the whole game to justify its addition and the expense of valuable dev time. Fortunately for the whole F1 game and its sanity, I'm not a programmer or you would all be in trouble. So I'll consult with the experts.

@moogleslam Forcing cockpit cam doesn’t make it fair for league racing. It’s not like cockpit cam makes you slower

OPTION to Force Cockpit in multiplayer?

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moogleslam
New Scout
4 years ago
I'm hearing this still isn't in the game, so another year of not buying, and not organizing leagues for it.
JasVerstoppen03
4 years ago
@moogleslam I totally agree with you, however! It's not only the widescreen view from t-cam what's giving a pace advantage, it's that it gives you a CONSISTENCY advantage. On Tcam i can run every single lap on the edge because I can position my wheels exactly on the place it needs too be. In cockpit however (and I am a cockpit view fetishist :P ) it's when you miss 1 apex, you miss the following apex'es too, because it's simply way harder to get every lap the perfect hit in the apex (especially now with the bigger wheels and wheel deflectors), but I will always go for the cockpit view.

Why should I or those so called "PRO'S" in esport "pro" have it easier and better than the real deal? Do you see drivers in real life sit on the Halo or on their T-CAM? So as long as those Pro's drive with the crutch tcam, there's nothing PRO about the whole name. If the sports people should be forced in cockpit view, they lose at least 1 second in consistency laptime if not more. Most of the hotlap times in TT are also TCAM times, seconds faster than the real drivers do. WHY would that be? If they are truly that fast, why aren't they in the real cars? because they would ask for a seating position on the engine cover. 😉

my runs are always in cockpit mode, without assists. I'm simply a hardcore lover of F1 and I want it as close to real as I can get.

The same goes for those so called "MASTER" skilled drivers in ranked lobbies who get to that level with all assists enabled and thus winning races easy from non assist drivers. Non assist lobbies should be standard option. There should be more "hardcore" options to create a fair and level playingfield.

But as with everything, CM doesn't care a single bit for the hardcore players like you or me or everyone else who would like these options.

And I think that it's simply because they don't know how to create something like that.

they rather toss useless things like F1 life or Braking Point at people head, in stead of ACTUALLY improving QUALITY. They give 2 sh**s about the quality, that been proven year after year with the bugfest on releases, which are always the same. If CM in fact DID CARE about quality, and started listening to the community, there would be more quality, less bugs, which in turn would result in more quantity in sales.

But their heads are all up their a**es over there.
Artax04
4 years ago
i would force an option to make mandatory all assist off, expecially tc off.

Everyone on multiplayer plays with tc on, it's like cheating^^

I don't care about what camera they use, i care about same assist for everyone!
JasVerstoppen03
4 years ago
@Artax04 I’ve been saying that for years already.

The call for a non assist ranked lobby is present for years, but they care about money and quantity to the cost of QUALITY
moogleslam
New Scout
4 years ago
@Artax04 Hasn't that always existed? Making sure everyone is using the same camera (since some are also assists) is the final piece to create integrity/fairness in leagues.
BarryBL
Codemasters Team
4 years ago
To play devils advocate here, shouldn't players be able to play how they want?

I play in cockpit cam (edited) with some assists, I know others who are quick in T-Cam, far chase cam, quick on pad, even quick on a keyboard. I personally never feel cheated by losing to someone who plays in a different camera, or on different assist levels. As long as the racing is there and the combat is fair, its more a niche request.

Personally I'd rather have a competitive environment where everyone is enjoying playing the game their way and competing together.
BarryBL
Codemasters Team
4 years ago
TC on vs TC off is about 1 second a lap in the benefit of TC off.

If you are going for absolute performance, turning TC on is a handicap to your lap time. Realistically, if you have 'graduated' past TC, you should be quicker than those who have it on.

Also, you can do this in the in-game lobby settings as host.
Ultrasonic_77
Hero
4 years ago
@BarryBL wrote:
TC on vs TC off is about 1 second a lap in the benefit of TC off.
If you are going for absolute performance, turning TC on is a handicap to your lap time. Realistically, if you have 'graduated' past TC, you should be quicker than those who have it on.
Also, you can do this in the in-game lobby settings as host.
For many I think the difference is more about having to drive more cautiously with TC off to avoid spinning. I'm slower with TC off for this reason .
zed08je0ot2v
4 years ago
I agree with you. When people say that TC ON is 1 sec slower than TC OFF, they compare the best times of an Esports level driver. But an Esports level driver can extract 95 - 100% out of the car on throttle. I can probably only do 85-90%. Because I spin when I push. So I never really push. Which makes TC OFF slower than TC ON.
I have raced in both non-assists and assisted leagues. Had great fun in both leagues, but it can be a bit annoying to see assisted drivers being slower overall but are difficult to overtake because they can take more risk in their moves.
In the end it's all about choices. If you don't like racing assisted players, find a non-assisted league.
The point here is that it's not possible to find a league where everbody uses CPC. I don't want to drive with CPC, but if I did want a race on level playing field, it would be nice if the host could set CPC to mandatory in the settings.
IGNxLegendZz
4 years ago
@BarryBL To play devils advocate to your devils advocate,

Couldn’t the same argument be used regarding assist restrictions? There’s options to lock any/all assists to off so why can’t there be an option to lock the camera to a certain setting?

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