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Re: Can we expect more track changes for the BETA tracks in the release version?

@ajobling1983 Yeah that might be true, but I looked at some gameplay of 2021 Baku, and the AI already takes the corner like players, which means they always jump over the kerb.
So the AI could take the corner with the same line, but maybe should carry a little bit more speed.
Anyways, even if this can't be done before release, it would be amazing if they could change it post launch

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  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @Tibi2199 Yes it would be great but i wouldnt get my hopes up, likely gonna be a lot they need to fix at release.. And the car performances are never gonna be accurate simply because there is no porpoising in the game - dont get me wrong i know why they got rid of it but Merc swing of performance comes 100% down to porpoising. Without it they are challenging for the best top speed, without it they are among the worst for it. There is no good balance for realistic results in the game (swining similarly).. And i know this is a personal problem haha but we know how the past releases have been.. F1 Life is probably working almost bugfree, but the rest?
  • @Meza994 Yeah I'm not really getting my hopes up, I know how much Codies likes to improve their existing tracks, for example Hungaroring chicane is still incorrect in the games, for around 8 years now. (lol)

    It sucks because the new tracks they release have flawless quality, like Portimao, Imola, the improved Australia, and the new Miami track are all amazing and accurate.

    I just hate that they are spending their time with creating a track DLC, instead of updating existing circuits. I know they won't change their mind now about that, but I'm really hoping the returning tracks are at least improved a lot (like Hockenheim).

    But looking at Jeddah, it seems like they might care about updating existing tracks, so hopefully after Saudi they start working on the tracks I mentioned above, and also on tracks like Canada (especially the chicane), Mexico (the S turns are completely inaccurate), Brazil etc.
  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @Tibi2199 I wouldnt get my hopes up that there is anything other than Portimao and China as extra tracks lol but yea i agree but im still not convinced that Jeddah is more than the kerb colors.. From what i saw the kerb height is still far off of real life which changes the track completely.
  • @Meza994I didn't see a lot of screenshots of Jeddah, only saw a picture of the first turn, and the orange sausage kerb is at least there, though it's not 100% correct but it's not that big of a problem.

    I really hope we get those elevated green-white kerbs that can lift the whole car, and I also hope they work physics-wise, because they are a really important part of the track. If you use them correctly you can perfect your lap. But if you use too much of them then you are into the wall, and I hope it's that way in the game too.

    I know we won't get any other tracks on release other than Portimao and China, but there were some interviews where DLC tracks were hinted, and also tracks were datamined, so who knows. But those tracks could easily be leftovers from previous game, and that they won't return.

    Still, I want Codies to work on existing tracks, and not on new ones. Quality > Quantity

  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @Tibi2199 We will see more tomorrow, videos scheduled on youtube also one with Jeddah.. But the picture you are referring to shows a flat green white kerb when its not small IRL..

    The physics arent the problem, kerbs just need to be the right height in the game which i doubt sadly

    Whether Portimao and China will be there at release isnt even safe yet, just the placeholders in the game. Additional tracks were hinted at but could still be just the two i named. I wouldnt expect wonders when major effort went into F1 Life. As you say leftovers is the more realistic option.

    Improving some current tracks is long overdue!
  • @Meza994 Oh I didn't know there are videos scheduled tomorrow, that's very exciting. But yeah, we'll see tomorrow then.

    Yeah exactly, my point with this post is that it's great that the physics are improved, I love that. And they work very well on most tracks.

    But the problem is that some tracks are just so inaccurate that the improved physics doesn't matter. Canada for example has the flattest kerbs in the game, even though IRL the kerbs are huge.

    For example, you can just drive through the kerbs at the chicane, but those kerbs would make your whole car jump if it was accurate. And it's not even fixed in F1 22, because in the trailer they showed the cars driving through these kerbs.

    I really hope we get no tracks after release, but instead track updates, I'm sure most people would prefer that.
  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @Tibi2199 I agree with everything till the last sentence. I would prefer getting Sepang, Hockenheim and Istanbul park haha but as even one of those would likely take more work than updating 90% of the tracks its obvious which is the better solution for this year..
  • mariohomoh's avatar
    mariohomoh
    Hero (Retired)
    4 years ago

    @Tibi2199 I'm guessing the data mining you're referring to comes from the telemetry UDP specs. These are legacy data sets from previous games that people just never bothers to expunge - not broken, so... 

    Pretty much every year we get the same rumour floating around.

    The official track list is yet to be released, but in a rare spin of wishful thinking I'm expecting Portimao and others that were already included in the released material so far - e.g. icons on championship mode teasers - to be available at Day 1, and DLC tracks to include others. The only reason being the inescapable backlash of "you teased us, they need to be there" for their absence on release day and the bad rep of arguably misleading advertising.

    Just don't get your hopes that up high.

    Now for track updates, I wouldn't expect anything other than recoloring for kerbs and the like. They'll probably revisit the track layouts only after meaningful updates. Even Spa, I don't think we'll be getting it in this game.

  • @EA_KentWhat can players do to highlight the issue to the devs? What's a limiting factor apart from the AI training? Thanks.

  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    @Tibi2199As i thought, Jeddah has still the same flat kerbs.. Such a shame and Spa aswell not changed at all.

    PS. visually at least, potentially increased the height of the tracks or whatever to make you spin if not carefull but the kerbs still look flat (just like Monza in F1 2021)

  • Zandvoort looks to have changed to the correct kerb colours,  supercar video showing between sector 2 to 3. 

    Jeddah correct kerb colours, not sure if the walls have been altered like real life. 

    Hungary, Bahrain, Great Britain, Monza, Brazil and Austria no changes.

  • Tibi2199's avatar
    Tibi2199
    4 years ago
    @mariohomoh Yeah it was most likely that UDP thing, I was pretty sure it was fake because it had the Short tracks that were previously in the game, only thought that it might be true because a big youtuber covered it. But yeah, I shouldn't have trusted a youtuber lol

    But yeah, you were right, I knew Spa wouldn't be changed, but not a lot of tracks were. I really hope this time around they will change them in future updates. But that means they get no money from it, so who knows if they would want to do that..
  • mariohomoh's avatar
    mariohomoh
    Hero (Retired)
    4 years ago

    @Tibi2199 wrote:
    only thought that it might be true because a big youtuber covered it. But yeah, I shouldn't have trusted a youtuber lol


    Truer words, hard to find. 

    I for one am moderately excited to see what Tiametmarduk, Aarava & co. have to say when trying to make sense out of the expected handling changes.

  • @Meza994 Yeah it sucks that they couldn't make the kerbs elevated, would've been great.

    What's funny is that they did change Spa, but the only thing was the chicane kerb, and they correctly colored it from orange to red.

    Only problem is that it's still waay too flat compared to real life.

    And from the Alex video you linked, the another weird thing is that for Hungaroring, they still haven't fixed the chicane, but they remodeled the building in the pit lane.

    The reason it's weird is because in the game it looks way bigger than real life. I have no idea what the reason was for changing it if they didn't make it accurate lol. They could've fixed the chicane, but they decided to work on this...

  • JebeFIN's avatar
    JebeFIN
    Seasoned Adventurer
    4 years ago

    Mexico isn't fixed yet? LIKE.. Mexico and Spa has been same since 2015 game and they haven't fixed these tracks.. This video tells everything about why Mexico isn't 100% right https://youtu.be/1vOxrxR84rU

  • Nylink's avatar
    Nylink
    Seasoned Veteran
    4 years ago

    @JebeFIN wrote:

    Mexico isn't fixed yet? LIKE.. Mexico and Spa has been same since 2015 game and they haven't fixed these tracks.. This video tells everything about why Mexico isn't 100% right https://youtu.be/1vOxrxR84rU


    Accurate tracks are very important to racing games, and I still can't believe this isn't fixed. I hope they get to it next year.

    And Spa too. Might as well go over all the tracks that are not laser scanned to get them accurate.

  • @Nylink I would hope at least one or two tracks could get updated in the course of the development of the game. Updated Australia looks brilliant now. I can't wait to drive there.
  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @pawel567 Those are the DLC tracks.. People getting hyped for more where just in their hope bubble because they wanted the game to give them more than a virtual T-Shirt for 5€..

    IMO they will be added post launch or maybe day one
  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @Blackbird90 True but on the other side they need to make like 2 new tracks? Qatar and Las Vegas will be new in 2023. So remaking a few corners might be possilbe (Bus stop, Mexico Esses, Jeddah kerbs, Canada kerbs etc.) but i wouldnt get my hopes up.. They get the money to have more people working on it but seem to not want, just like EA go about FIFA

  • @Meza994 wrote:
    @Blackbird90True but on the other side they need to make like 2 new tracks? Qatar and Las Vegas will be new in 2023. So remaking a few corners might be possilbe (Bus stop, Mexico Esses, Jeddah kerbs, Canada kerbs etc.) but i wouldnt get my hopes up.. They get the money to have more people working on it but seem to not want, just like EA go about FIFA

    From an impact vs time investment perspective I'd personally put the Baku change high on any to-do list.

  • Tibi2199's avatar
    Tibi2199
    4 years ago

    @Ultrasonic_77 Yeah same apart from this castle section, Baku has one other problem that I think is important to fix. It's actually one corner before the castle section, and the problem is the kerb is too flat, here's a picture:

    In real life, drivers, and Leclerc doesn't even touch the kerb with their inner wheels, simply because the kerb is pretty high, and would make the car unsettle. However, in the game, the kerb is waay too flat, and you can just drive straight through it, like it's not there. This of course creates an "esports-driver racing line", which I'm pretty sure the devs don't really want, so they need to increase the height of the kerb in order to fix.

    Apart from this, the track is perfect. They done a great job fixing Turn 1.

    I think if we take impact and time investment in perspective, the other tracks that should be changed are Hungary and Austria.

    All Hungary needs is the new chicane, some double-layered, and it would be perfect.

    And Austria only needs the double-layered kerbs, and also the bigger sausage kerb after T1 that I showed in my pictures previously.

    I feel like these tracks would be a very easy fix, they could even do it before release if they wanted to. But I'm sure EA is still asking the devs right now to paint boxers in every color, just so that it can be sold for 3 dollars.

  • EA_Kent's avatar
    EA_Kent
    Icon for Community Manager rankCommunity Manager
    4 years ago

    Hey @Blackbird90

    You're always welcome to share feedback on the game here. We'll be passing along player feedback as we see it. 

    The more detail you can include in your feedback, the better. I may not always be able to come back with a detailed response from the dev team, but I'm always happy to pass feedback along. 

  • @EA_Kent Thanks for the response to the post.

    I would like to ask a question about the team that works on tracks.

    Are they going to fix/change the existing tracks like Monza, Canada, Baku etc. (the tracks that are not accurate in the game). Or can we only expect changes for the next years game?

    Because if they would fix the existing tracks this year, and it would also get passed over to the team, then I would make a seperate post and highlight the things that need to be changed more clearly.

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