VfB Stuttgart - Furchtlos und Treu
Verein für Bewegungsspiele Stuttgart 1893 e. V. better known as VfB Stuttgart. Located: Stuttgart, Baden-Wurttemburg Nickname: Die Roten (The Reds) Short name: VfB Stadium: MHP Arena Rival...
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@Danimal5981 You are right. I have tried taking Ange Postecoglu’s ideas too far. Watching him in real life must have that effect. I’m trying to press too hard and win the ball back which is opening the defense up.
@LABoog4 wrote:
@Danimal5981You are right. I have tried taking Ange Postecoglu’s ideas too far. Watching him in real life must have that effect. I’m trying to press too hard and win the ball back which is opening the defense up.
If I do that, even the little ones score against me. Plus, it really eats away the fitness of my players (and too little time to recover).
That's why I can enjoy what Viborg does under @JustinCase0110 - a nearly air tight defense. I'm getting there step by step and the way I did it, was by setting these mini-goals to get a result and get the match stats right (possession, passing, shots against, etc)
@Danimal5981 wrote:That's why I can enjoy what Viborg does under @JustinCase0110 - a nearly air tight defense. I'm getting there step by step and the way I did it, was by setting these mini-goals to get a result and get the match stats right (possession, passing, shots against, etc)
Thanks, appreciate it. I do think it's contradictory to defend patiently and still have an ambition to keep 60% possession. For me to defend patiently and not open up the spaces, I totally neglect the possession stats, allowing the opposition to play around with 60-65% possession most times. It's also not expected for Viborg to dominate possession, which I believe is the case with Ajax.
To answer your question, @LABoog4, I don't think Stuttgart has been accustumed to play in Europe. They are in the Champions League now, but to my knowledge this is the first season with European football since the 2013/14 season. So if your league form is good enough, I would expect you to be offered another season in the club. A 7-1 defeat to Dortmund isn't helpful though...
@JustinCase0110 wrote:
I totally neglect the possession stats, allowing the opposition to play around with 60-65% possession most times. It's also not expected for Viborg to dominate possession, which I believe is the case with Ajax.Ajax defends according to the principle - If the opponent doesn't have the ball, they can't score (quote by Rinus Michels, the Ajax-coach that invented Total Football).
That's where possession comes in. We don't defend by stopping a ball, or preventing a way through on our goal; we defend by not giving the ball to the opponent in the first place, or as little possession as we can.
That's also generally why Ajax puts up a good fight against better (more dominant teams) because Ajax can derregulate their game. But we always struggle against smaller teams especially playing counter-attack football, because they're used not having the ball and are efficient with a small amount of goal attempts.
@Danimal5981 wrote:Ajax defends according to the principle - If the opponent doesn't have the ball, they can't score (quote by Rinus Michels, the Ajax-coach that invented Total Football).
Yes, I'm familiar. But there are also other ways. Herbert Chapman, the legendary Arsenal manager, saw counterattacks as the most opportune moment to create a goal. So, by all means, keep the ball, we'll sit tight and defend, and when we get it, THAT is the time to strike.
It is quite interesting to notice these changes in tactical approaches through history. How the 1960's Catenaccio was a response to Real Madrid and Benfica's dominance with attacking-minded football through a decade or so. And how Total Football was a response to Catenaccio, trying to move the game forward again. A lot of this may have started in the 1920's and 1930's with the football minds of Herbert Chapman, Hugo Meisl, Jimmy Hogan, Vittorio Pozzo, Bela Guttmann and more, trying to make their mark on the beautiful game.
I like possession. And I love Michels' impact on football in general. My remark was related to my in-game experience, where I find it difficult to defend, if I have an ambition to win the ball back quickly. So I often "allow" the opposition to keep the ball for quite some time, thus often being on the losing side when it comes to possession. But being a club the size of Viborg, I really don't have a problem with that.
@JustinCase0110 wrote:
My remark was related to my in-game experience, where I find it difficult to defend, if I have an ambition to win the ball back quickly. So I often "allow" the opposition to keep the ball for quite some time, thus often being on the losing side when it comes to possession. But being a club the size of Viborg, I really don't have a problem with that.I understand, so was mine. Which brings me back to my advise to @LABoog4 - as you see, we all set our own mini-goals: but important is to make your own and work towards them. Not just 'do as good as I can', but more specific: with what kind of play do I want to achieve it; how much possession; will I focus on creating a lot of goal opportunities (attack) or preventing them from others (defend), etc etc etc.
Because it's not about what you can do if you add better players to your squad; the question is rather if you need them once you get everything out of your existing group. These mini-goals define your 'everything'.
I was close to my everything once: my nearly perfect game. But I look at the stats and I see four goal attempts by the opponent, three on target. Also, my XPG tells me I could've scored two more than the actual 10 I did score. So, there's still room for improvement. This is what I mean with setting my mini-goals and getting everything out of a certain team, before thinking of doing transfers.
I took the advice for the Bayern match, the result is much better. Updates coming soon.
Red card for Stuttgart but they hold on for a six goal draw.
Both teams started strongly, but VfB's momentum took a hit with a red card in the 42nd minute. In the second half, Hoffenheim pushed hard to break through VfB's solid defensive setup. With less than ten minutes left, substitute Jacob Bruun Larsen netted the equalizer. While the result will feel like two points lost for VfB, fans can take pride in the team's resilience, as 10 men held firm for nearly half the match to secure a hard-fought point.
Unlikely Hero saves VfB
VfB Stuttgart held their own against the league leaders, securing an impressive 2-2 draw. Following a tough 4-0 loss to Bayern Munich earlier this season and a crushing 7-1 defeat to Dortmund in recent weeks, doubts lingered about VfB’s ability to compete with top teams. Those doubts were silenced this weekend as VfB adopted a more cautious approach, guided by advice from @Danimal5981. The strategy paid off, limiting Bayern to just nine shots, with only four on target.
Despite the defensive improvement, the spotlight belongs to striker Ermedin Demirovic. Making his first start in over a month, Demirovic delivered a heroic performance, scoring both goals to earn a vital point for his side.
"E.D. did everything we asked of him. After the January he went through, a lot of players would have put their heads down and faded away. Not E.D. He stepped up and proved he wants to be here. Instead of sulking, he doubled down and earned his place back—for now," coach Markus Fielder said after the match.
I....... KNEW IT! Ermedin Demirovic didn't leave in January, and I always had a feeling he would find his way back and now has three in the last two. Including a brace vs Bayern. Obviously he still needs to adapt to the role you have laid out for him and all that. But with the right mindset I could really see him claw his way back. Interesting to follow!
He has made his way back for now! The new way of not pressing as hard and of slowing down the tempo is really fitting his style over other strikers.
